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Old 02-10-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Per the title question - because since the dawn of humans, a majority has actually believed that government is the solution, not the problem based on preferring to let others do your problem solving for you?

Effort is like any other form of energy, it typically finds the path of least resistance, and governments excel at making people think life is easier if they just give up all that "thinking/acting for yourself" nonsense. So most people do indeed give up, and spend their lives seeking someone they think will properly run their lives for them for maximum comfort with least input effort.

This also speaks to most people thinking how they want things is how things should be for everyone, which is simple hubris. Voting for politicians is like buying lottery tickets...it instantiates a dream with little investment. The dream never comes true, but the process allows the dream to exist. So much easier than just working, studying and making something of yourself via your own efforts.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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Precisely! I tried explaining that. I am socially conservative and fiscally liberal...no idea what that's called but yeah.Another thing a dictator would do is disarm the population. I have no interest in doing that...at all.Certain parts of the government would be dismantled. NSA/CIA would disappear or at the very least become VERY small and more efficient. No more spying on citizens,allow marijuana use all over the country,etc. More efficient government is better government. Close all overseas bases. Respect foreign countries. Diplomacy not force!
Your 'first resort' when opposed will be force... and it will go downhill from there.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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Per the title question - because since the dawn of humans, a majority has actually believed that government is the solution, not the problem based on preferring to let others do your problem solving for you?

Effort is like any other form of energy, it typically finds the path of least resistance, and governments excel at making people think life is easier if they just give up all that "thinking/acting for yourself" nonsense. So most people do indeed give up, and spend their lives seeking someone they think will properly run their lives for them for maximum comfort with least input effort.

This also speaks to most people thinking how they want things is how things should be for everyone, which is simple hubris. Voting for politicians is like buying lottery tickets...it instantiates a dream with little investment. The dream never comes true, but the process allows the dream to exist. So much easier than just working, studying and making something of yourself via your own efforts.
That's worth repeating.

And so I did.

Thanks.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:16 AM
 
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That's what EVERY dictator has said. That's what the Communists said. You see, I don't believe you, because once you have power, you will be a tyrant. Period.



This is why I don't believe you. We have the tyranny of the some over the some. Some want tyranny of the few over the many, some want tyranny of the many over the few. You want tyranny of one over all the rest.



Because absolute power corrupts absolutely. And if you don't believe that (and if you believe you're different - special - and it won't affect you) then it makes you of the liberal mindset, who can only think in terms of force to make everything "right".

Sorry. You're a tyrant, a megalomaniac in the making.
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Your 'first resort' when opposed will be force... and it will go downhill from there.
Why would I be opposed? If people don't want to live under my rule I will give them 1 billion dollars and they can go set up their own nation somewhere...The only time force will need to be used is in the cleaning up phase in the beginning.I am no tyrant I just know what's best for this country and the majority of its people. The silent majority.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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You and some would rather live under the tyranny of 500 people in congress who have 500 different opinions and get nothing done and when they do its some half assed idea that benefits them and the corporations instead of the people. That will end with my rule.I will have monthly meetings of some kind where EVERY citizen of the US can voice their opinions...if its something legit that will benefit society as a whole it will be taken under consideration. If not then it won't be. We need to return to things that benefit everyone not just a corporation or 1 person.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:21 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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So when you say "first you have to cleanse the state of the unwanted and the evil to make something better," what exactly would that look like?

And what if not everyone agrees with your definition of what is "unwanted and evil"?
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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You and some would rather live under the tyranny of 500 people in congress who have 500 different opinions and get nothing done and when they do its some half assed idea that benefits them and the corporations instead of the people. That will end with my rule.I will have monthly meetings of some kind where EVERY citizen of the US can voice their opinions...if its something legit that will benefit society as a whole it will be taken under consideration. If not then it won't be. We need to return to things that benefit everyone not just a corporation or 1 person.
LOL. And let me guess: the ultimate arbiter of what is "legit" would be just 1 person.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I want EFFICIENT government. My fix? Have a dictator. 1 man who controls everything without the nit picking of idiots in congress. That's dramatic I know but that's how I would do it. I am sure there are less dramatic ways to fix things but I have a interest in being a dictator so lol...
You should be pleased we have a dictator who openly says he has a phone and pen to bypass laws
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:28 AM
 
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So when you say "first you have to cleanse the state of the unwanted and the evil to make something better," what exactly would that look like?

And what if not everyone agrees with your definition of what is "unwanted and evil"?
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LOL. And let me guess: the ultimate arbiter of what is "legit" would be just 1 person.
The first year would be bloody and not very pretty but its a necessary evil. The people will thank me later on. Far as what is legit. Once 1 topic is introduced at least 10 times lets say. We give the people a vote on what subjects we should look at farther...let them choose..after all it is them that have to live with it. Its for the best of ALL of us...I won't introduce anything they don't want. As far as if they don't ike my cleansing part well I won't keep you there if you don't want to be here...I can't just let the evil people go,They will just set up shop elsewhere and cause harm to my nation. Nope. Not gonna happen. EVERY country once is undergoes a revolution needs to be cleansed. Trials for the less evil like abortion baby murderers aka doctors. Others won't even be given that chance especially the ones that got us into this mess. French Revolution style is the way they will go. Like I said its a necessary evil. Can't cure something without removing the bad part.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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You and some would rather live under the tyranny of 500 people in congress who have 500 different opinions and get nothing done and when they do its some half assed idea that benefits them and the corporations instead of the people. That will end with my rule.I will have monthly meetings of some kind where EVERY citizen of the US can voice their opinions...if its something legit that will benefit society as a whole it will be taken under consideration. If not then it won't be. We need to return to things that benefit everyone not just a corporation or 1 person.
If every person in America could voice their opinion in 10 seconds, and you spent 8 hours per day, 5 days per week listening to those opinions...it would take 441 years to hear each and every one of those opinions. If you'd like to be dictator, either get better at simple arithmetic so your claims don't sound so ridiculous, or be more intellectually honest about not listening to anyone except yourself, because one thing a dictator shouldn't do is make themselves appear weak in any way. Keeping dictatorial power requires a cult of personality and an image of other worldly strength and power. Not being able to count or do 2nd grade math does not help in that regard.
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