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Old 02-11-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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5.8 million who have "paid their debt to society" should be allowed back into society again, right?...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us...mid=tw-nytimes
Who knew? 10% of the Florida population is ineligible to vote because of state bans.
53% of them were convicted of violent crimes, followed by property crimes.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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In that case, if you don't consider them full citizens, you might as well deport them.

Anyone, where is the Constitution does it say "if you have committed a crime, you will lose your full citizenship"? Where does it say that?
Within state constitutions?
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:42 PM
 
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This is made possible by the 5th amendment. The little part there about nobody can be deprived of life, liberty or property without DUE PROCESS...that's what gives them that right. Once you have been tried and found guilty, you have been given your "due process".
It doesn't say "citizenship". This applies to prison. This does not affect your citizenship. Come up with something that says "citizenship gets taken away".
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:43 PM
 
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Within state constitutions?
If one is born a citizen, one cannot be stripped of citizenship.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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there is already a process on the books in most states that allow for convicted felons to apply to get their voting rights back. personally i dont think this should be granted automatically.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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there is already a process on the books in most states that allow for convicted felons to apply to get their voting rights back. personally i dont think this should be granted automatically.
What is the worst a person who has been convicted of a felony going to do is he/she can vote? A straight answer.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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5.8 million who have "paid their debt to society" should be allowed back into society again, right?...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us...mid=tw-nytimes
A few million criminals here and there, 30 million illegals, and before you know it, you have a permanent majority.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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Were it up to me ex-felons could vote, but anyone receiving an entitlement/welfare program would not be allowed to vote given their incentive to vote for whoever delivers more of other peoples money.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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What is the worst a person who has been convicted of a felony going to do is he/she can vote? A straight answer.
i dont care if they can vote or not. all i am saying is that there is a process by which they can get some of their rights, including the right to vote, restored. its part of the law which they can follow.
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:14 PM
 
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When someone is convicted of a felony, a jury of their peers has decided that they are guilty of something which demands forfeiture of rights/freedom. For every one person wrongly convicted of a thing, another 9,999 are rightly convicted and well deserving of their "awarded" punishment, including the loss of voting rights.

The argument for allowing felons to vote is that the incarceration timeline is the sum total of the debt. This is not the case. In most states, the incarceration period is simply one facet or portion of the debt. Loss of the right to keep and bear arms, to vote in elections, and to fill out a job application without checking the "have you ever been convicted..." are all part of the total debt.

Now, if a person is wrongfully convicted, and this is proven, they should be made as close to whole as possible, including reinstatement of all rights and privileges of citizenship.
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