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Old 02-13-2014, 11:36 PM
 
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That is false, this is actually good news and big news....it just happens to be YOU don't care....though you keep posting in this thread, so I think you do actually care, but you happen to be on the wrong side so you are trying to pretend like no one cares about this.
It's big news, yes. Good? No. But we already know we disagree on that. The main issue here is not same-sex marriage, it's state's rights as defined in the 10th Amendment. This has to be, and will be a Supreme Court test on the 10th and 14th Amendments.

 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It's big news, yes. Good? No. But we already know we disagree on that. The main issue here is not same-sex marriage, it's state's rights as defined in the 10th Amendment. This has to be, and will be a Supreme Court test on the 10th and 14th Amendments.
Fundamental Rights trump States Rights because if I get married in one state, it should be honored in any state I go to. We live in a country that is a collection of states, not a country of 50 countries.
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:50 PM
 
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We are not degenerates, SocialAtheist, we are citizens too, we pay taxes too, this is our country too and we will win this battle as the battle against interracial marriage was won and it just may be with the state of Virginia again and you bigots will scream, yell and cry, but that does not matter, for civil rights and equal rights are everyones, straight, gay, god fearing and non believers, every race, every religion, we are all US citizens and freedom and equality are not predicated upon sexual orientation or believe it or not, degeneracy. All states will one day have to recognize and allow same sex marriages as they all had to recognize interracial marriages, even if it is kicking and screaming, they will be dragged into the 21st century. Our country does not go backwards, we go forward, it has always been that way and that is why no state has ever ever been able to reverse their laws and ban interracial marriage, not because of popular support. Equality will prevail.
Yes, just as in the very near future, all states and pretty much the world will also condone and participate in incest, beastiality and pedophilia, even if they are "kicking and screaming," they will be dragged into the new age agenda.
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:52 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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People still don't get it. All excited because a state allowed a couple to do something it had no business to rule over in the first place.
Thanks Virginia for allowing 2 people in love to finally be married. Because without the states consent it's not a real marriage after all is it?
And now the state is going to force others to recognize it too.
Yes they are, just like in 67 with Loving verses the state of Virginia, they were forced, along with 16 other states with bans on interracial marriage, to stop their bans on interracial marriage. At that time more than 70% of the population of southern states still opposed interracial marraige and even up to the early 90's Alabama still denied marriage licenses to interracial marriage and even a few years ago a judge in Georgia refused a marriage license to a black/white couple. Do bigots really think that their religions, their morals, their rights trump everyone else's? Do you?
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:53 PM
 
Location: KYLE TEXAS
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The Libertarians that I know support same-sex marriage.
i dont know about support just the RIGHT to live your life as you choice if it doesnt interfer with anybody else

marriage is not a thing the federal govt should be concerning themselves with
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:55 PM
 
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Yes they are, just like in 67 with Loving verses the state of Virginia, they were forced, along with 16 other states with bans on interracial marriage, to stop their bans on interracial marriage. At that time more than 70% of the population of southern states still opposed interracial marraige and even up to the early 90's Alabama still denied marriage licenses to interracial marriage and even a few years ago a judge in Georgia refused a marriage license to a black/white couple. Do bigots really think that their religions, their morals, their rights trump everyone else's? Do you?
Meanwhile, all over the world (outside of the U.S.), during and prior to the 1960s, interracial marriages and relationships were not banned. Can you say the same about homosexuality?
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:56 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Yes, just as in the very near future, all states and pretty much the world will also condone and participate in incest, beastiality and pedophilia, even if they are "kicking and screaming," they will be dragged into the new age agenda.
And why would that be? Silly stupid ignorant slippery slope that has nothing to do with same sex marriage. Gays are not going after animals for sex, heck, just ask Harrier about his cat, incest generally is heterosexual, so are most pedophiles, So excuse me, but those are your HETEROSEXUAL problems and same sex marriage has nothing to do with that.
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:59 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Meanwhile, all over the world (outside of the U.S.), during and prior to the 1960s, interracial marriages and relationships were not banned. Can you say the same about homosexuality?
What does any of that have to do with banning same sex couples from getting married? Same sex unions have existed many times and in many countries, same sex marriage bans are new and recent in time, they did not exist before bigots decided to codify into law bans on it and civil unions for gays.
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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Fundamental Rights trump States Rights because if I get married in one state, it should be honored in any state I go to. We live in a country that is a collection of states, not a country of 50 countries.
I understand that you believe that and feel that way. But "fundamental rights" are held to be different things by different people. The "right" to marry is not defined in the Constitution. Marriage is not covered in what we refer to as our "Bill of Rights", or the "Rights of Man" of the French Revolution, or the Magna Carta or anywhere else. Marriage was just understood to be between man and woman until only very recently in human history. This is new legal territory and it will have to be sorted out in SCOTUS. You and I are hoping for opposite results.
 
Old 02-13-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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Guess I will be going through Ky from now on on my way north...hey lets go head long into degeneracy! Polygamy,beastiality,incest! Someone get the ball rolling lets go! Strike while the iron is hot!
Someone needs to work on their hysteria.
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