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Old 02-15-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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also proof that those attacking Obama like you are hypocrites as well.
I get a chuckle at vague rants like this. I have no idea why you think they are anything but you throwing a little fit.

O.K., I'm a hypocrite, explain why.
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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Apparently, some people are too ignorant to understand if the circumstances change then the actions should change.
He was making a definitive statement, If something is wrong to do it's wrong to do. He was saying it was wrong to do. He was not saying it was wrong to do unless he is the one that was going to do it.

Obama has admitted he did what was best for party as opposed to country when he voted against raising the debt limit under Bush. It's funny, those arguing for not raising the limit now are out to harm the country but when Obama did it........well, that was in the past so it doesn't somehow count.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:15 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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also proof that those attacking Obama like you are hypocrites as well.
Or seekers of the truth unlike those that constantly forgive and support Obamas lies.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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He was making a definitive statement, If something is wrong to do it's wrong to do. He was saying it was wrong to do. He was not saying it was wrong to do unless he is the one that was going to do it.

Obama has admitted he did what was best for party as opposed to country when he voted against raising the debt limit under Bush. It's funny, those arguing for not raising the limit now are out to harm the country but when Obama did it........well, that was in the past so it doesn't somehow count.
Great point.

Obama supporters tend to show no principles. The only constant is that Obama is untouchable.

It is okay for Obama to vote against the debt ceiling and even admit that it was solely a political move. But it is evil for others to do what Obama himself did.

All while we ignore the reality that we have a serious debt problem.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:20 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Context is everything. There was a record amount of filibusters and obstruction by the right wing therefore in order to actually get anything passed he had to circumvent them.

Lastly, it is up to the courts to decide constitutionality. Have you ever thought Obama wouldn't have needed so many executive orders if Congress didn't put forth a record amount of filibusters?

.....you know cause and effect.
Have you ever considered that had Obama actually tried to work with both parties instead of trying to dictate how they should think and what they should do, "filibusters and obstruction" may not have occurred? You know, live up to one of his campaign promises instead of his "I know best so you better agree with me or I will get you" method of attempting to govern.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:59 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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He was making a definitive statement, If something is wrong to do it's wrong to do. He was saying it was wrong to do. He was not saying it was wrong to do unless he is the one that was going to do it.

Obama has admitted he did what was best for party as opposed to country when he voted against raising the debt limit under Bush. It's funny, those arguing for not raising the limit now are out to harm the country but when Obama did it........well, that was in the past so it doesn't somehow count.
It doesn't matter if it was definitive or not. If the situation changes then the actions changes. If the opposing party ends up using the filibuster process and breaking the record for that and uses other obstructionism, what choice do you have if you want to govern?
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Old 02-15-2014, 01:00 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Have you ever considered that had Obama actually tried to work with both parties instead of trying to dictate how they should think and what they should do, "filibusters and obstruction" may not have occurred? You know, live up to one of his campaign promises instead of his "I know best so you better agree with me or I will get you" method of attempting to govern.
Not sure how you can even say that with a straight face.....

Again, Republicans destroyed the previous filibuster record. They have made it abundantly clear THEY don't want to work with democrats.
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Old 02-15-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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It doesn't matter if it was definitive or not. If the situation changes then the actions changes. If the opposing party ends up using the filibuster process and breaking the record for that and uses other obstructionism, what choice do you have if you want to govern?
Again, he admitted his earlier actions were purely political. The only thing that changed was who was president.
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Old 02-15-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Obama criticized a lot of the things president Bush did and swore he would do differently, but once he got in office he does all those things and more. Most transparent presidency in history - not.
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Old 02-15-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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Not sure how you can even say that with a straight face.....

Again, Republicans destroyed the previous filibuster record. They have made it abundantly clear THEY don't want to work with democrats.
This is why....
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It was only three days after Obama’s inauguration that Cantor came to a White House meeting on the economic crisis and proceeded to hand out copies of the Republican plan to fix it—which Obama quickly dismissed. “Elections have consequences,” the president told Cantor, “and, Eric, I won.”
Congressional elections have consequences too.
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