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Old 02-15-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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Wait... I thought they were trying to say that no abuse happened, but yet one of their shills admitted it happened?

Color me amused at the entrapment of using expedient rhetoric.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Only in America Democrats can pass for a left party, in the rest of the world it would be a right of the center party. USA has no left to speak of. 10 corporations owning all the medial has a lot to do with the fact that American left is marginalized and Obama is declared a "radical Marxist". Pure idiocy.
This. Although the democrat party has been getting slowly more left than it was before, in the scheme of global politics, the democratic party isn't nearly as "left' or "liberal" as the GOP whines that it is.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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from your link

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Lerner said that career IRS staff who were reviewing applicants for tax-exempt status took a harder look at applications with "tea party" or "patriot" in their names. She stressed that the added scrutiny was done as a "shortcut," not out of "political bias."
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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Wait... I thought they were trying to say that no abuse happened, but yet one of their shills admitted it happened?

Color me amused at the entrapment of using expedient rhetoric.
My link wasn't about "them".
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Yeah, the guilty rarely admit their guilt.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I prefer the scenic route.



You know what they argument was. I was arguing in defense of the ACLU in their defense of our rights. I argued that I had no problem with who people wanted to marry. What you perceived as my party was nothing more than an attempt to not address my points.
You do Remember that I am a Democrat right ? A very Liberal Democrat at that.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Only in America Democrats can pass for a left party, in the rest of the world it would be a right of the center party. USA has no left to speak of. 10 corporations owning all the medial has a lot to do with the fact that American left is marginalized and Obama is declared a "radical Marxist". Pure idiocy.
so?

Why on earth would we want to follow the rest of the world?

I'm not a lemming and have no wish to be one.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Yeah, the guilty rarely admit their guilt.
His argument was that the IRS had admitted to targeting groups for political bias, they did not.

regardless of if you believe they are guilty or not, that has nothing to do with the premise of the debate.

he claimed they had admitted to guilt, they have not.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:35 AM
 
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You do Remember that I am a Democrat right ? A very Liberal Democrat at that.
And?
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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Whatever that "little more" is, contains a gap the size of the universe.

Government has NEVER done anything well.

the exceptions in the private sector are either amazing examples of failure or government subsidy.
Private sector has done well because of big bad government taking care of the things corporations externalized. As far as a wage slave is concerned, it doesn't make any difference who owns an organization he/she relies on to survive. Paradigm do-as-told-or-get-fired-and-starve does not care who owns what as far as a wage slave is concerned. It's just that government must take care of the workers that government owned entities fire, etc. and corporations are not burdened with any responsibility of that sort. Thus, "efficiency".

Look at the revolving door between government and corporations for Pete's sake. For all practical purposes, a modern transnational corporation is run like a government entity (frequently by the same managers for hire), except that pesky externalization thing and loot distribution. Since corporation ownership is becoming more and more convoluted and less defined, managers for hire may screw a corporate entity for their private profits, just the way they screwed public enterprises in the past and present.
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