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Old 02-15-2014, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, AZ
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This has not turned out the way for people who want to start a marijuana business by going through a bank. It looks as though this is some kind of game the administration playing and although I have little sympathy for the druggies, this is just ridiculous! If you read the comments in the link, you will see they are very displeased at Obama.


Banks warned they risk prosecution if they follow Obama admin. guidance on marijuana - Washington Times


DENVER — Bankers should beware of the Obama administration’s newly issued green light for banks doing business with the legal marijuana industry, according to the head of the Colorado Bankers Association.

Memos released Friday by the Justice Department and Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network were intended to give banks leeway to open accounts for marijuana businesses in states like Colorado and Washington that have legalized retail pot. [MOD CUT/copyright]

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Old 02-16-2014, 07:48 AM
 
Location: USA
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Shouldn't the Justice Department be going after their own DEA before they start attacking all those legit businesses?? I mean, it'd be mighty hypocritical for the government to sell and help distribute cocaine and heroin while prosecuting legit businesses for marijuana.

DEA, Sinaloa Cartel in Secret Cooperation for Years | TIME.com


The Prohibition and hypocrisy needs to end now.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:55 AM
 
Location: texas
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Shouldn't the Justice Department be going after their own DEA before they start attacking all those legit businesses?? I mean, it'd be mighty hypocritical for the government to sell and help distribute cocaine and heroin while prosecuting legit businesses for marijuana.

DEA, Sinaloa Cartel in Secret Cooperation for Years | TIME.com


The Prohibition and hypocrisy needs to end now.
The DOJ is not going after any ligitimate companies. The DOJ is reminding banks that just because the DOJ is allowing them to do business with pot business, not to get too lacked in monitoring the business' "money" transactions.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:59 AM
 
Location: USA
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The DOJ is not going after any ligitimate companies. The DOJ is reminding banks that just because the DOJ is allowing them to do business with pot business, not to get too lacked in monitoring the business' "money" transactions.
It sounded to me like the option would still be open to prosecute even if the pot business was legit.


I need to research the issue more but if they do try to prosecute the banks NOW (of all times, they've been laundering drug money for a while now) then they are huge hypocrites. That's all I'm saying.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:17 AM
 
Location: texas
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It sounded to me like the option would still be open to prosecute even if the pot business was legit.


I need to research the issue more but if they do try to prosecute the banks NOW (of all times, they've been laundering drug money for a while now) then they are huge hypocrites. That's all I'm saying.
Of course there is option to prosecute...If banks fail to do their Due Diligence in dealing with pot companies and irregularities occur, then they should expect to be held accountable.

What did the banks think, they were gonna get a "get out of jail free card" if they screwed up?
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:19 AM
 
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Of course there is option to prosecute...If banks fail to do their Due Diligence in dealing with pot companies and irregularities occur, then they should expect to be held accountable.

What did the banks think, they were gonna get a "get out of jail free card" if they screwed up?
Why not? They have for years.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: USA
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Of course there is option to prosecute...If banks fail to do their Due Diligence in dealing with pot companies and irregularities occur, then they should expect to be held accountable.

What did the banks think, they were gonna get a "get out of jail free card" if they screwed up?
The companies are legit though. They're doing what's legal in their state.


How exactly would banks "not do their due diligence?"
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Nice to see the Fed could care less what states voted into law.
This is your big government squashing small government.

IMHO the Fed has no business doing this.

The DOJ is spending all of it's time going state to state trying to kill off what state voters have put on the books.
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Old 02-16-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Of course there is option to prosecute...If banks fail to do their Due Diligence in dealing with pot companies and irregularities occur, then they should expect to be held accountable.

What did the banks think, they were gonna get a "get out of jail free card" if they screwed up?

Why should banks be required to know if money came from illegal activities (in this case, selling to minors or out-of-state) and why should they care where it came from?

When I take money to the grocery store, they never ask me where it came from. Same as at the bank.

Ok, I am not a business...but money is money and no bank should have to know where the money came from or what the customer does in his own business. That is NOT the business of a bank.
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Old 02-16-2014, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Nice to see the Fed could care less what states voted into law.
This is your big government squashing small government.

IMHO the Fed has no business doing this.

The DOJ is spending all of it's time going state to state trying to kill off what state voters have put on the books.
No, it's not. As long as there is a federal law prohibiting marijuana as a legal drug, any bank that does business in a state where pot is legal must keep those accounts in-state.

As banks often sell transactions, especially loans, to other banks, if a Colorado bank was to sell a pot loan to a bank in N. Dakota, where pot is illegal, it would constitute a transfer of ill-gotten gains. The bank that bought the loan could face prosecution and the money involved could all be seized.

This could happen even in a state where pot is legal, as all the legal states vary in their laws as to what's legal or not concerning pot.

The Feds are not denying Colorado's right to legalize pot, nor or they challenging it. This is not squashing small government. The Feds have the Constitutional obligation to govern interstate commerce, and that's all they are doing.

When pot is legalized everywhere, under the same basic rules of possession and sales, all this will go away. It will also go away when the Feds drop pot's illegality at the federal level.

and it will happen. Marijuana is too large an industry now to ever stop it. Big Tobacco is already making plans for national distribution and purchasing, as pot is a savior for that industry.

Additionally, when pot is legalized everywhere, the market for hemp will also become legal everywhere, and hemp has vastly more economic potential that pot.

Pot is developed to produce as much of the intoxicants in it as possible, while there best hemp produces almost none at all. The plant either uses it's energy in growing potent bud or in growth. Good pot plants are shorter and weaker, while good hemp is taller and much more fibrous.

A pot smoker could smoke a bale of hemp and never get a buzz, but because it will always have trace amounts, every law on pot has applied to it. Farmers who want to grow hemp have been fighting this for years with the feds.

Hemp can be used for animal feed, it can replace inorganic plastics, is a unique fiber that cannot be reproduced inorganically, can grow in the worst soils and climates, and needs no specialized farm equipment for harvesting.

That's just for starters. Once hemp is legal and the chemists get their hands on it, there will be many more uses that come from it.

Hemp is also a farmer's savior in times of drought and severe climate change. The plant needs no fertilization, no special care, resists both drought and freezing, and can be planted in all the waste land areas on farms anywhere in the nation.

So there it is; one new industry for tobacco growers, and many new industries from hemp. Both will mean billions of dollars in new taxable income and thousands of new jobs. The states that get on the wagon early will have all the advantages, and those who drag their feet will get the leftovers.
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