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so then you decide, a job making minimum wage, or one that is paying what these days $35 an hour? the only thing is that the higher paying job requires that you join a union. personally i would take the higher paying job if it was offered to me. but then again this is a simple matter that libs just dont understand. he decided to work his way up to better paying jobs through his life, and earn a living.
funny how joe's values go out the window when the shoe is on the other foot and you have to make a choice. joe certainly has more options than just the union or burger flipping. why not like a good conservative start a small business, maybe something to do with plumbing. maybe a plumber with his own van.
his values were easily compromised. so vocal against unions (abortions too for that matter) until it hits close to home.
#1 The Democrats hate Joe the Plumber, because he as a citizen dared ask a question to someone running for the highest office in the land. Obama is above the democratic process and all questions need to be scripted - otherwise Obama struggles to answer the question.
#2 So using the OP's "logic" Republicans can't be public school teachers in their home state if it forces unions as a condition of employment? I don't mind being in a union, as long as I can point out their policies that are harmful and hope to fix them.
#3 Using the OP's "logic" can Democrats work at a gun manufacturer like Remington? Can a Democrat work at a non-union plant like Volkswagen or Boeing's new plant down south?
This thread is stupid and spiteful: "How dare you ask a presidential candidate an unscripted question."
JtP isnt just your average joe rebuplican. No one would have ever questioned average joe the plumber if he got a job a GM.
Nor would anyone questioned average Jill the republican school teacher. Just as no one would question averave joe democrat for working at reminington. Just as not all republicans don't hate unions, not all democrats want to ban guns.
funny how joe's values go out the window when the shoe is on the other foot and you have to make a choice. joe certainly has more options than just the union or burger flipping. why not like a good conservative start a small business, maybe something to do with plumbing. maybe a plumber with his own van.
his values were easily compromised. so vocal against unions (abortions too for that matter) until it hits close to home.
JtP isnt just your average joe rebuplican. No one would have ever questioned average joe the plumber if he got a job a GM.
Nor would anyone questioned average Jill the republican school teacher. Just as no one would question averave joe democrat for working at reminington. Just as not all republicans don't hate unions, not all democrats want to ban guns.
Why is he different?
Because he dared asked Obama on the campaign trail a question?
Do Democrats really think Obama is that incapable of answering an unscripted question and therefore needs to be sheltered and coddled away from us mere peasants that may ask questions?
the only unions we truly bad mouth are the public sector unions. true we would like to reign in the power of the private sector unions, but i dont know of anyone that actually wants private sector unions outlawed, just the public sector ones, there is a huge difference, but you as a lib dont care about that now do you?
Public Sector unions are needed now more then ever, as 1 political party does not know how to manage employees.
What's the big deal?
He got a job a Chrysler, in order to work in that facility he has to join the union. It's a closed shop, so he has no choice about joining so, he wanted the job, he joined the union.
Simple.
No, your claim is false.
In no state is it possible to have a closed shop. Union membership is not a condition of employment, and by law nobody can be required to join a union. He could have taken the job and opted to pay an agency fee to compensate the UAW for its legal obligation to represent him and every other member of the bargaining unit.
If he claims he was required to joing the union, he is lying.
Public Sector unions are needed now more then ever, as 1 political party does not know how to manage employees.
See Civil Servants and the need of that standing.
rubbish. public sector employees are covered by civil service laws, and as such there is no need for a public sector union. in fact public sector unions are not conducive to proper handling of taxpayer money in the first place. public sector union employees negotiate with other public sector union employees when contract times rolls around, thus there is an automatic conflict of interest, and the appearance on impropriety and collusion in said contract negotiations.
rubbish. public sector employees are covered by civil service laws, and as such there is no need for a public sector union. in fact public sector unions are not conducive to proper handling of taxpayer money in the first place. public sector union employees negotiate with other public sector union employees when contract times rolls around, thus there is an automatic conflict of interest, and the appearance on impropriety and collusion in said contract negotiations.
In no state is it possible to have a closed shop. Union membership is not a condition of employment, and by law nobody can be required to join a union. He could have taken the job and opted to pay an agency fee to compensate the UAW for its legal obligation to represent him and every other member of the bargaining unit.
If he claims he was required to joing the union, he is lying.
Simple.
Ah yes, pay union dues and be in the union OR pay union dues, don't be in the union and get harassed by the union for not being in it.
I remember grown adult teachers throwing a teacher's mail on the ground out of his office mailbox for choosing to pay the dues, but not belong.
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maybe a plumber with his own van. 
