25 Dead In Kiev; Police launch new attack on anti-govt protesters; Obama Talks Global Warming (NAFTA, middle east)

[CousinMaynard]

theres alot ignorance in this thread. O isnt going to say anymore about whats going in Ukraine anymore than a cat is going to say something about the canary in its mouth.

the protesters in kiev are puppets are far as the obama administration, and team O has been encouraging the hostility toward democracy. One of the protest leaders admitted we paid him 50 grand and our so called "diplomats" were recorded discussing their own unsolicited plans for a new Ukraine regime. this isnt a**hattery or opinion, just google "F*ck the EU" and its very clear that O is behind it all.

[my54ford]

See what happens when the Government takes you guns!

[Vergofa]

The idea that the only options are American Troops on the ground, or doing nothing demonstrates ignorance of not only American History, but basic leadership qualities.

If Obama had maintained a relationship with Putin, none of this might be happening.

[Vergofa]

Originally Posted by T-310

What imperialist bully across the sea?

That milquetoast hiding in the WH?

Surely you jest.

And don't call me Shirley.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Spaten_Drinker

Barack Obama is the first US president to NOT be a world leader.

You mean the chief of world police.

It's a little premature to send in the Marines at this time

[Vergofa]

Originally Posted by T-310

Offers of aid, mediation, hell something other than the idiot whining about AGW.

That is why Obama gets the nice office! HE is supposed to have these great leadership skills.

[legalsea]

Originally Posted by Vergofa

The idea that the only options are American Troops on the ground, or doing nothing demonstrates ignorance of not only American History, but basic leadership qualities.

If Obama had maintained a relationship with Putin, none of this might be happening.

I'm interested: how would President Obama 'maintaining' a relationship with Mr. Putin have prevented this rioting from happening?

After all, the uprising or unrest began last November, when the Ukraine president backtracked on a trade deal with the European Union. In December Russia was seen as 'rewarding' the Ukraine president by cutting gas prices to Kiev and purchasing billions of dollars of that country's debt. Many of the protestors want constitutional reform, moving power away from the office of the president to the Parliament (with many members of parliament wanting a closer relationship with Europe).

So, given that, how would Obama's 'maintaining' a relationship with Putin have changed the Russian-Ukraine relationship?

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by BoomBen

As horrible as it is -It is not our business.

Then stop bank-rolling it.

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

Does the OP want us to invade the country or something and start policing them?

You've been in Ukraine since Clinton....this would be another area that's out of your league.

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

OP: You expect the US to intervene?

You are intervening. You've been intervening since 1994. Quit acting like your hands are clean.

Originally Posted by s1alker

You can't tell me Washington/CIA isn't behind this in some fashion.

My faith is restored....someone actually gets it.

Originally Posted by hawkeye2009

Oh no?

We can have an ally in the Ukraine as a new member of NATO, or a Russian ally.

You want Ukraine aligned with Russia....that will save the lives of millions of people.

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

So what should Obama do that would make you happy in this situation?

Obama should issue an Executive Order demanding that the Neo-Conservatives he picked to be on his White House Staff, and the Neo-Conservatives that run your Alphabet Agencies since Carter was president to stop bank-rolling opposition parties.

Originally Posted by Chimuelojones

Humans fighting for more liberty should be everyone's concern.

They are fighting for your Standard of Living, not their liberty.

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Do you think the U.S.should impose itself in this?

You imposed yourself in 1994.

Originally Posted by jojajn

Isn't that up to the people of Ukraine?

I'm sure it will be just as soon as Obama issues an Executive Order to stop bank-rolling the opposition.

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

stay out of it...

Originally Posted by Feltdesigner

not our business...

Originally Posted by MIKEETC

It's an internal matter of another country. It's not our business even if Ukraine is a potential ally.

[we should stay neutral]

Then stop funding opposition parties.

Originally Posted by T-310

In the meantime, the Ukraine is looking to the US to stave off Putin, and Obama just sticks his head in the sand. Putin will try to revive the old Soviet Empire with himself as supreme dictator and the Ukraine will crumble.

No, exactly the opposite. Putin is your hero and friend, not your enemy.

Originally Posted by Vergofa

If Obama had maintained a relationship with Putin, none of this might be happening.

Yes....it would be happening.....and it would be happening no matter who was president.

As I have commented on 1500x, this is part and parcel of your Geo-Political Strategy.

Like I have said 2500x....it doesn't matter who you elect....when it is time to go into Syria or Iran or anywhere else....you are going to go in.

I don't care if you elect a Democrat or a Republican or if Mother-friggin'-Teresa was president....when it is time, you will go.

The End-Game of your Geo-Strategy is the eastern Russian territories -- Siberia.

It has been since sometime in 1974-1976 when the Social Democrats became Neo-Conservatives.

In order to control eastern Russia, you must control Central Asia --- you had control, but you lost it, because you could not push your hegemony.

In order to control Central Asia, you must control Iran.

From a purely objective stand-point --- without any moral or ethical consideration --- this is the correct strategy to pursue.

If you ask me, "Mircea.....set up a plan so I can achieve Check-Mate and win the game and own the World."

1] Gain control of the Mediterranean Basin to deny Russia any potential allies; to deny the Russian navy the use of any ports; and to deny Russia the use of any States to locate airbases for fighters or bombers....

a) Yugoslavia: Check
b) Libya: Check
c) Syria: In progress

2] Gain control of the Black Sea basin to permit US bases for ground troops, aircraft and naval facilities....

a) Turkey: Check
b) Bulgaria: Check
c) Romania: Check
d) Ukraine: In Progress

3] Obtain air, highway and rail access from the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean to Central Asia...

a) Iraq: Check
b) Kuwait: Check
c) Iran: In Progress

4] Gain control of the 5 Central Asian States with 5x-7x more oil than the entire Middle East/North Africa...

a) Kazakhstan: On Deck
b) Turkmenistan: On Deck
c) Uzbekistan: On Deck
d) Tajikistan: On Deck
e) Kyrgyzstan: On Deck

5] Gain control of eastern Russian territories with 2x more oil than all of Central Asia....

a) Channel money to opposition groups
b) Arm opposition groups
c) Wait for Russia to respond
d) Use Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Kazakhstan as bases to operate No-Fly Zone to prevent Russia from interfering
e) Hoist the US flag over eastern Russia and rape all the natural resources.

Originally Posted by CousinMaynard

theres alot ignorance in this thread.

Thanks for contributing yours....

Mircea

[emcee squared]

I was in Kiev in December. Even though it was the beginning of the protests, it was an amazing sight. The citizens have incredible compassion, foresight, and fight.

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by boxus

No, "the people" do not want, "the people" are not out rioting, they are out working and going to school; it is a small vocal minority that want this. This minority knows the only way to get what they want is by rioting, because they will lose every election, just as they did the last election.

You stating "the people", would be like stating Occupy Wall Street represents "the people" of the US.

These people just want to toss democracy aside and bully their way through, not caring anything about the majority of the country. What is worse is many of these are radical nationalist and far right fascist groups spearheading the violence.

Not so says Russian speaking friends
Some like you want puppet rule by Moscow but many say Nyet