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Wrong - they were mostly poor farmers who fought to preserve their property and protect the lives of their family.
Right. You are arguing garbage. States declared war,
In EVERY document those states get to the reasons for the war and keeping and expanding slavery is the whole reason the only reason. Yet somehow the soldiers were fighting for blah, blah, blah make believe reason.
Idiotic dumb garbage thinking.
So were the Germans in the War fighting for Nazism or did they have a secret motivation that you can mind read?
So were the Japanese soldiers during WW2 fighting for the Empire of Japan or did they have a secret motivation that you can mind read?
Were the British Soldiers during the American revolution fighting for the Crown and England or did they have a secret motivation that you can mind read?
Soldiers fight for the reasons that those they follow order.
All soldiers of the day from either side were poor farmers or workers who were protecting their property and family. That's usually the reasons politicians give to get them to fight. The Northern soldiers were also fighting to preserve the union.
The Union would have been just fine if the CSA had been allowed to go its own way.
Blacks, both free and slave, fought for the Confederacy.
Credit: National Archives
The argument over whether blacks took up arms to fight for the government that enslaved them is a bitter one, but historians have busted this myth, Deaton said.
"It's just balderdash," he said.
Loewen agreed.
"It's completely false," Loewen said. "One reason we know it's false was that the Confederacy by policy flatly did not allow blacks to be soldiers until March of 1865."
The idea had been brought up before, University of Tennessee historian Stephen Ash wrote in 2006 in the journal Reviews in American History. In January of 1864, Confederate Maj. Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne proposed enlisting slaves. When Confederate President Jefferson Davis heard the suggestion, Ash wrote, he "not only rejected the idea but also ordered that the subject be dropped and never discussed again in the army."
About three weeks before the Civil War ended, however, a desperate Davis changed his tune. By that point, the war was lost and few, if any, blacks signed up.
White officers did bring their slaves to the front, where they were pressed into service doing laundry and cooking, Loewen said.
Again, Did those German soldiers in WW2 fighting for Nazism and Germany or did they have some secret motivation that you can mind read?
Did the Japanese soldiers in WW2 fight for the Empire of Japan or did they have some secret motivation that you can mind read?
In what context do we not say hey this nation/state/leader went to war for these reasons and these reasons are why the War was fought?
Since when do we say well we have to get into the mindset of each individual soldier to know. That is garbage idiotic thinking.
No.
The southern states went to war over slavery. This fact is ALL over their declarations of war. confederate soldiers were fighting to keep and expand slavery.
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union
In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Georgia to Secede from the Federal Union.
[from the Official Records, Ser IV, vol 1, pp81-85.]
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. This hostile policy of our confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people, and has placed the two sections of the Union for many years past in the condition of virtual civil war. Our people, still attached to the Union from habit and national traditions, and averse to change, hoped that time, reason, and argument would bring, if not redress, at least exemption from further insults, injuries, and dangers. Recent events have fully dissipated all such hopes and demonstrated the necessity of separation.
Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union
[from J.A. May & J.R. Faunt, "South Carolina Secedes" (U. of S. Car. Pr, 1960), pp76-81.]
The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.
[from E.W. Winkler, ed., *Journal of the Secession Convention of Texas*, pp61-66.]
The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then *a free, sovereign and independent nation* [emphasis in the original], the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,
The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
Wrong - they were mostly poor farmers who fought to preserve their property and protect the lives of their family.
Actually, I just posted some stuff from the Articles of Secession. Elite politicians and planters stood up and admitted slavery was the major reason for secession.
However, the poor White persons of the South did not have much of a stake in it. However, those in power needed people to fight their battle. This was a rich man's war fought by the poor. How do people in power convince the poor to fight their war? Convince the poor Whites that if they don't, bad things will happen.
And consider this. There were many poor Whites who hoped to buy slaves. Many knew they were poor, but prided themselves on "racial superiority". And the elites were convincing poor Whites that if slavery ended, it would hurt the South, and the Blacks would ruin the South. Basically, the powerful stirred up poor Whites by stirring up a fear of Blacks.
Again, Did those German soldiers in WW2 fighting for Nazism and Germany or did they have some secret motivation that you can mind read?
Did the Japanese soldiers in WW2 fight for the Empire of Japan or did they have some secret motivation that you can mind read?
In what context do we not say hey this nation/state/leader went to war for these reasons and these reasons are why the War was fought?
Since when do we say well we have to get into the mindset of each individual soldier to know. That is garbage idiotic thinking.
No.
The southern states went to war over slavery. This fact is ALL over their declarations of war. confederate soldiers were fighting to keep and expand slavery.
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You are repeating yourself - the sure sign of a flawed argument.
Not only that, but you are talking about WW2 in a thread concerning an emblem of the American Civil War.
We are often led to believe that somehow the War For Southern Independence was fought to allow the suppression of the Black man. These articles show that to be a misconception.
And your link has not shown that the majority of Blacks view the Confederate cause as "their heritage". Show me where a majority of Blacks have the view of "it's my heritage". You haven't shown me that. However, I have posted links stating that slavery was a major cause of secession. I've posted quotes of the Articles of Secession. Somehow, those quotes get ignored. No one has bothered to address them.
You are repeating yourself - the sure sign of a flawed argument.
Not only that, but you are talking about WW2 in a thread concerning an emblem of the American Civil War.
Try to stay on topic.
I am making an unimpeachable argument.
You are making an embarrassingly absurd argument that no one uses.
In no context is it allowed to separate the reasons the soldier is fighting from the reasons his state/government/command gives for the fighting.
Yet you are attempting to disentangle the motivations of confederate soldiers from the states they fought under, whose declarations of war they fought under, whose generals they followed, whose orders they followed.
It doesn't work like that.
The confederate states went to war ONLY for slavery this fact is ALL over their declarations of War and those soldiers who fought under the command of those states fought for slavery PERIOD.
If not then, tell me WHY the German soldiers fought in WW2?
. I've posted quotes of the Articles of Secession. Somehow, those quotes get ignored. No one has bothered to address them.
It's because they are of no concern. What you should embrace is your fellow black brothers love for their heritage of the old confederate south. That flag means a lot to them.
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