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Old 02-24-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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The irony in all of this is that James Meredith wants his statue removed, says it's idolatry. He's also a right wing conservative. You rarely see him at mainstream Civil Rights events.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Sorry, that dog won't hunt. Universities have led the way in categorizing Christian belief as hate speech and thought crime. You have to standards if you think in a way the university dislikes, and no standards at all if you think in a way they do like. That, my good man, is the tyranny of arbitrary rules, which is ironic in the one place everyone traditionally views as the most intellectually free framework we have left.

Explain "standards" on the campus when the typical festivities around the Vagina Monologues include pornography fliers all over campus and their famous baked/dessert goods sold from whatever the campus calls their women's resource center. Explain "standards" when Christian students groups are forced to accept non-Christians into the group to maintain university recognition, but non-Christian groups can remain exclusive based on any number of random criteria? Explain "standards" when conservative or libertarian speakers get shouted down by student protests, with no students being disciplined ever, while any attempt at protesting vs liberal approved causes (re: GW anti-muslim hoax) results in swift, misguided persecution?

Universities are where liberals go to learn totalitarianism, particularly the purging of thought and imagery that does not toe the party line of Dear Leader. And that to me is ironic, given the place universities are supposed to hold where free thought, expression and speech are supposed to be concerned.

I still think racism is idiotic, but idiotic thought and action from college students is as shocking as water being wet. It isn't hate crime, or really crime at all, unless you have that totalitarian viewpoint where all things that deviate from that which is approved by MiniTrue is a crime.

Great, they bounced some morons from their midst. But don't tell me for one instant that universities are anything more than progressive indoctrination centers anymore, because there's simply too much evidence to the contrary.

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Old 02-24-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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The irony in all of this is that James Meredith wants his statue removed, says it's idolatry. He's also a right wing conservative. You rarely see him at mainstream Civil Rights events.
He's always been an odd bird.

The idolatry thing points to him probably being hyper religious.

If he doesn't want the statue, they should take it down.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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Not condoning what some idiots (especially Sig Ep idiots) did, but I find it ironic that universities, once allegedly places where young minds were free to learn and express themselves even in radical ways, are now Orwellian truth ministries and thought prisons of political correctness.
The word 'sensitivity' isn't a part of the English language for nothing. It actually has real meaning and application.

This is Ole Miss we're talking about. And while I would still be careful about going overboard with the discipline here, putting a noose around THAT statue is ludicrous. If the statue was at Montana State or some nondescript school like that and had no historical significance relative to civil rights, that would be different. You could afford to be insouciant.

But it ain't Montana State. I understand the whining and crying about political correctness, but that doesn't apply here.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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I am shocked — shocked— to find that racist behavior would go on at Ole Miss!
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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He's always been an odd bird.

The idolatry thing points to him probably being hyper religious.

If he doesn't want the statue, they should take it down.
He's definitely religious. I think he's just more towards Justice Thomas's views on race. In their view the goal was to remove the impediments that prevented them form engaging in society as full citizens. Once those legal barriers were removed there wasn't any more that needed to be done.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-05-...james-meredith
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"For 25 years, my biggest obstacle was that everyone thought I was one of the civil rights people, the liberal agenda people, the nonviolent people," he said. "I have never been any of that, and the so-called leadership knew that--you understand? It was to their advantage to portray me that way . . . because of my history, which coincided in time with much of what they were doing."

The individualism and isolation that Meredith cherishes began at an early age. Born in Kosciusko, Miss., in steamy Attala County, Meredith was taught by his father, Moses (Cap) Meredith, that "death was to be preferred" over suffering indignities at the hands of whites.

There are those who argue that Meredith's stubborn pride has served to detach him not only from white people but also from people in general.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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I interviewed to be a Business professor at a small liberal arts school in my area a few years back. The interview was held in the office of the dean of the Business school, and on two of the four walls of that office were 4' x 6' posters of VI Lenin, he had a hammer-sickle wood carving on his desk, and a copy of the Communist Manifesto on his bookshelf. Okie doke, I get free speech and all that, so I could have cared less.

But imagine what that guy's "standards" for speech are, and how free the speech of conservatives, capitalists, libertarians, etc would be anywhere near that guy. Imagine what happens to the professor who puts up 4' x 6' posters of the Atlas Shrugged book cover or puts the "Who Is John Galt" carving on their desk? What do you want to bet that Objectivism is hate speech at that school of Business?

In another fine example of "standards" and "free" speech, I was given a failing grade on a paper by a liberal professor because I used Murray Rothbard and FA Hayek as sources. In red ink on the references page, my professor wrote that Murray Rothbard wasn't human, and therefore cannot be a valid source, and "Road to Serfdom" was not valid either because she decided it wasn't. Had I been less inclined to stand up for my own academic liberty, I'd have crept off into the corner and accepted that abuse of power, but I fought back and took my case to the dean of the college of A&S, and got my proper grade of an A- and got that professor a formal reprimand. But that's free speech for you in the American college now. I don't agree with the ideology of your source, therefore your source is invalid and you will now be punished with a failing grade for deviating from Dear Leader's approved reading list.

Those are just two of my personal experiences, but Mike Adams has made a career out of chronicling the tyranny of university speech code and selective enforcement of "standards" to scare/chase off anything not toeing the progressive party line.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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I understand the whining and crying about political correctness, but that doesn't apply here.
I really don't understand whining and crying about the fake term political correctness. Especially in the context that right wingers or dishonest people whine.

Here is why first there are all kinds of settings where there are spoken and unspoken limits on the words and language one can use in this society. All kinds of restrictions all over the place on when one can speak. And those restrictions are generally thought of as right. And almost certainly some of those restrictions go too far.

Nearly all of the people who complain about the fake term political correctness aren't complaining about all of those long term limits on speech. Nah, they only complain about the fact their right or ability to insult or put down various groups of people is pushed back upon.

These people who throw around that term political correctness almost universally aren't fighting for some noble cause that dares to address the numerous ways and contexts in which speech is limited, but instead focuses on their narrow interests of insulting various racial, religious, or ethnic groups and how that speech is limited in certain contexts.

The problem is that those limits are keeping in the ways speech is limited in all sorts of contexts in this society that go absolutely unnoticed and are thought of as right.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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The word 'sensitivity' isn't a part of the English language for nothing. It actually has real meaning and application.
At most universities, it has vague, arbitrary meaning and is selectively applied according to progressive party line. Too many examples bear witness to it.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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He's definitely religious. I think he's just more towards Justice Thomas's views on race. In their view the goal was to remove the impediments that prevented them form engaging in society as full citizens. Once those legal barriers were removed there wasn't any more that needed to be done.

A Change in Image : James Meredith, Hero of a Liberal Cause, Stations Himself on the Political Right - Los Angeles Times
I don't care about his politics, but he comes off as a bit misguided.
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