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Old 02-23-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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The Ukraine should just split up. Half the country is made up of ethnic Russians who align themselves with their fellow ethnic kin in Russia. And the ethnic Ukrainians don't want to be associated with the Russians. There's no reason that people who don't want to live together should be forced to.
Only 14% of Ukraine are ethnic Russians. However, the Ukrainians in west Ukraine are known as radical nationalists, "Banderas" as they are called, after the Nazi supporter who supported the Nazi's in WW2; many Ukrainians do not like these Ukrainians.
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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The problem with Ukraine is that they have a large number of ethnic Russians colonists and their descendents who settled in Ukraine during the Soviet years. These people still consider themselves Russians, not Ukrainians, and are not loyal to Ukraine and have Russia's best interest in mind vs Ukraine's. (like how most Mexican Americans do not consider themselves American and cheer for Mexico in the Olympics and support policies like illegal immigration that benefit Mexico at the expense of the US). The Russian colonists in Ukraine should recognize that Ukraine is an independent country now, and that if they cannot be loyal to the country then they should leave it and go back to Russia. The people who support Viktor Yanukovych are not ethnic Ukrainians and are not loyal to Ukraine,they are like a Russian 5th column living there.

Instead of splitting Ukraine in two, I think the ethnic Russians should be forced to leave the country unless they can prove their loyalty and take a oath of loyalty, and take a literacy test in the Ukrainian language the way everyone in the US should be expected to learn English. If the ethnic Russians are not loyal to Ukraine and do not speak Ukrainian and assimilate into their new country then they should be deported. Remember that Ukraine was never part of Russia, it was invaded and occupied by the Soviet Union during WOrld War II when the Nazis were pushed back to Germany. The Soviet army just never left and incorporated Ukraine into the Soviet Union. The Russians there are basically colonists and squatters on someone else's land. Yes there is a small minority of Russian colonists who settled there earlier but that is still as recent as the 1700s while the Ukrainian people have been on their land since the beginning.
See my previous post, only 14% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian.

Russians did not migrate during the Soviet period, they have been there for centuries, the Ukrainian border is merely a line drawn in the ground, not representative of any migration or ethnic area.

Yes, many ethnic Ukrainians support Yanukovich, that is why he won the 2010 elections, declared fair by international observers.

You also have a poor understand of the history of the area, I doubt you have ever even been there, let alone studied in depth, know the language, etc.

"Remember that Ukraine was never part of Russia, it was invaded and occupied by the Soviet Union during WOrld War II when the Nazis were pushed back to Germany."

Seriously, just how incorrect can you be? Where do you even get this from? Maybe some reading will assist you: History of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:25 AM
 
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If the Ukrainians hate us it is because we sided with the Soviet Union in WW2 which put them under the Soviet dictatorship for 45 more years that it would have been if we hadn't sided with them.
Many Ukrainians were full participants in the establishment and maintaining of the USSR.
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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I think our idiot burned those bridges internationally. The world shuddered when he brokered that deal with Iran. Even France said it was a bad idea. It alienated Israel and Saudi Arabia. He ignored the Ukraine's plea for support and continues to ignore it.

I fully expect Putin to fill that vacuum and come spring he will be "invited" to move into the Ukraine.
Would you rather Obama sell weapons to Iran like Reagan did?

And if Israel and Saudi feel so isolated, they are free to stop taking our money and purchasing our weapons.
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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Please, it is not "the Ukraine", it is Ukraine.

Do you refer to "the Mexico" or "the Ethiopia"?
The United States, the Philippines, The Netherlands.

Name of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Ukraine" versus "The Ukraine"
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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Lightbulb Will Russia invade the Ukraine?

Nope.

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Old 02-23-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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To answer the OP; No.

Where in the heck do you even get it is a possibility?
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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The Ukraine should just split up. Half the country is made up of ethnic Russians who align themselves with their fellow ethnic kin in Russia. And the ethnic Ukrainians don't want to be associated with the Russians. There's no reason that people who don't want to live together should be forced to.
Most of the pro Russia people in Ukraine are not Russians but Ukrainians.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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Ukrainians are not nearly as unified as everyone makes them out to be, this is like stating every white person in America has the exact same views, goals, status, and family history. Though Ukraine is made up mostly of Ukrainians, they have many different groups of them and many different view points and family history.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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Ukrainians are not nearly as unified as everyone makes them out to be, this is like stating every white person in America has the exact same views, goals, status, and family history. Though Ukraine is made up mostly of Ukrainians, they have many different groups of them and many different view points and family history.
Exactly. Ukraine is a deeply divided country.
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