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Old 02-26-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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I think this will get quite interesting in the next few months. Russia is already peparing militarily.


Do you think the West (Western Europe and USA) is going to do something about it if Russia is invading the East Ukraine?
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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Europe couldn'fight a fly and they are dependent on Russian natural gas.
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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I honestly think that the Ukraine has to be where the line is drawn with Russia... This isn't Georgia or Chechnya here... This is a large and economically important country and we really can't allow Russia to bully them into an economic partnership that, it seems, many do not want....

The stakes are really high and I'm not sure if we have the resolve to do what needs to be done here...
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:03 AM
 
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Europe couldn'fight a fly and they are dependent on Russian natural gas.
LOL. Germany, France and the UK spend twice as much on their military than Russia. And the dependency on natural gas is a two way street.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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LOL. Germany, France and the UK spend twice as much on their military than Russia. And the dependency on natural gas is a two way street.
You think the UK would get involved in this? Or that the French have money for military adventures? Or that the Germans want to tangle militarily with Russia?

lol right back at you.

It's very unlikely the European elite want to renact WWI over Ukranians.

O might be that stupid though.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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You think the UK would get involved in this? Or that the French have money for military adventures? Or that the Germans want to tangle militarily with Russia?

lol right back at you.

It's very unlikely the European elite want to renact WWI over Ukranians.

O might be that stupid though.
America will get involved in this together with their European Allies. Putin is not going to invade Ukraine.
A line in the sand has to be drawn. The Ukrainian people want freedom not totalitarian Russian Oppression.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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Are you signing up to fight?
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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http://rt.com/news/crimea-ukraine-protest-clashes-840/

I think this will get quite interesting in the next few months. Russia is already peparing militarily.


Do you think the West (Western Europe and USA) is going to do something about it if Russia is invading the East Ukraine?
If there is an intevention it will be in form of sanctions. The problem is that half of Ukraine hates russia, and the other half loves them.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:32 AM
 
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http://rt.com/news/crimea-ukraine-protest-clashes-840/

I think this will get quite interesting in the next few months. Russia is already peparing militarily.


Do you think the West (Western Europe and USA) is going to do something about it if Russia is invading the East Ukraine?
I can't see the West getting involved, most Western Countries such as Britain are war weary following the War on Terror.

If you look at the History Books, much of the Crimean War (1853 -1856) was fought in Ukraine. The war being famous for such events as the 'Charge of the Light Brigade' as well as the Nurse Florence Nightingale who tended to injury soldiers during the Crimean War.

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For over 200 years, Russia had been expanding in a southerly direction toward the warm water ports of the Black Sea. Warm water ports that did not freeze over in the winter were essential for the development of Russian year-round trade and development of a strong navy. This brought the emerging Russian state into conflict with the Ukrainian Cossacks and then with the Ukrainian Tatars.

When Russia conquered these groups and gained possession of the Ukraine, the Ottoman Empire lost its buffer zone against Russian expansion, and Russia and the Ottoman Empire fell into direct conflict. The conflict with the Ottoman Empire also presented a religious issue of importance, as Russia saw itself as the protector of Orthodox Christians, many of whom lived under Ottoman control.

Crimean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If the Russians invade they would face economic sanctions and it would put a strain on Russian relations with the West. So it would have to weigh this against the fact the Russia's main Black Sea Naval Base is in the Ukraine and that over 85% of Russian Gas exports to Europe are piped through the Ukraine, so the country is very important to the Russians. Indeed Ukraine has always been a strategically important transport and energy corridor, and as well as the Black Sea Ports it was also home to the now infamous Chernobyl Nuclear Plant and the subsequent wasteland that surrounds it.

It should be noted though that the history of Ukraine is steeped in blood and carpeted with graves.

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A month ago I warned that simple-minded Western intervention in Ukraine risked provoking civil war in that dangerous, unstable region.

Now I repeat the warning. Our encouragement of this post-modern putsch now threatens the worst civil violence in Europe since similar lobbies sponsored the break-up of Yugoslavia.

Worse may be on the way. Ukraine is steeped in blood and carpeted with unquiet graves. Twice in the past century it has been the scene of terrible wars, and also the site of a hideous man-made famine and of genocidal slaughter. It is also a great strategic prize – fertile wheat fields, coal mines, the crucial warm-water naval port of Sevastopol.

PETER HITCHENS: Beware of this nation steeped in blood and carpeted with graves | Mail Online

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Old 02-26-2014, 08:32 AM
 
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America will get involved in this together with their European Allies. Putin is not going to invade Ukraine.
A line in the sand has to be drawn. The Ukrainian people want freedom not totalitarian Russian Oppression.

As they should. However; our involvement over there should be minimal.
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