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Old 02-27-2014, 11:31 AM
 
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Now go get the book. It is not how it is worded in the book.
It's been quoted exactly the same, word for word, in 2 unrelated sources. Unless you can post a link to the book stating otherwise, your claim is not believable.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Obama openly stated Wright was his spiritual mentor for over 20 years.
Obama is not Wright. And Wright is not Cone.

The American people have been able to make this distinction twice now. Perhaps it is time you caught up.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
Not according to Rev. Wright, himself. Wright was very clear on the following fact:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm
Yes, he says their vision statement is based on black liberation theology. He doesn't say that the vision statement only reflects Cone's beliefs. In fact, Wright goes out of his way to say that he believes that black liberation theology goes back 400 years, well pre-dating Mr Cone, but that Mr Cone's BOOK, upon its publication, began the systematization of that theology. In other words, slaves saw a path towards freedom and salvation through religion, but it wasn't until the past 50 years or so, that anyone sat down and tried to systematically examine the theology. Wright's church's vision is that there is a path towards freedom AND salvation through religion. Seems like a proper message.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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It's been quoted exactly the same, word for word, in 2 unrelated sources. Unless you can post a link to the book stating otherwise, your claim is not believable.
Here are two links I used to get Google Books to show the quotes in question. Obviously, I have no idea if you will get the same results. The quotes are from Dr. Cone's book "A Black Theology of Liberation".

A Black theology of liberation - James H. Cone - Google Books

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us,if God is not against white racists, then God is a murderer, and we had better kill God."

A Black Theology of Liberation - James H. Cone - Google Books

"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white oppressor."
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
Not according to Rev. Wright, himself. Wright was very clear on the following fact:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm
I was focused on your use of the word Charter. As I was trying to indicate in one of my other posts, I'm not denying that there are many people at Trinity UCC who are adherents to Black Liberation Theology, including Rev. Wright. However that in and of itself does not make them racists. Both Rev. Wright and Dr. Cone believe in the equality of all races.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:10 PM
 
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Obama is not Wright. And Wright is not Cone.
Wright was Obama's spiritual adviser for over 20 years.
Obama's Wright reaction was wrong - msnbc - MSNBC TV Commentary | NBC News

And Wright specifically stated Trinity UCC's mission statement was based on Cone's racist Black Liberation Theology philosophy. I provided the link stating such.

Yes, Americans were hoodwinked by a racist. Twice. That includes you, HD. "There's a sucker born every minute" applies.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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Yes, he says their vision statement is based on black liberation theology. He doesn't say that the vision statement only reflects Cone's beliefs.
In fact, he does:
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"The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology."
https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm

Wright points directly to the racist Cone as the inspiration for Trinity UCC's vision.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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Wright was Obama's spiritual adviser for over 20 years.
Obama's Wright reaction was wrong - msnbc - MSNBC TV Commentary | NBC News

And Wright specifically stated Trinity UCC's mission statement was based on Cone's racist Black Liberation Theology philosophy. I provided the link stating such.

Yes, Americans were hoodwinked by a racist. Twice. That includes you, HD. "There's a sucker born every minute" applies.
NO.

Wright specifically stated Trinity UCC's vision statement was based on systematized Black Liberation theology that began with the publication of Cone's book. He does not say the church's vision is based on Cone at all. He is saying that Cone's book began a systematic examination and explanation of Black Liberation theology. And he pointed out that several other scholars have written and published their opinions about this theology as well. And he pointed out that in his (Wright's) view, that Black Liberation theology began 400 years ago.

You seem to be bent on misrepresenting Wright's comments.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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Wright was Obama's spiritual adviser for over 20 years.
Obama is not Wright. And Wright is not Cone.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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In fact, he does:https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm

Wright points directly to the racist Cone as the inspiration for Trinity UCC's vision.
"that began with the publication....."

That only states that Cone's book began the systematic study and explanation of Black Liberation theology.

It does not state that Trinity relies on Cone as the only expert. In fact, Wright mentions several other scholars and experts on Black Liberation theology.

You are misrepresenting Wright.
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