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That's not what people want, it's what they think they want
And if you want people to ultimately create wealth, it depends on what people actually want, not what they think they want. It is also clouded to know what you want when the source of demand are commercial ads everywhere you look that cloud your mind, make your taste buds salivate, make you feel all sorts of things that you wouldn't think up yourself.
You make absolutely no sense at all.
Whatever people want or don't want is none of your damn business. People can make choices on their own, they do not need a utopian state to dictate to them.
Socialism means we really value people and their needs
Instead of saying all dollar bills are created equal
We finally impose all men and women created equal in their capabilities and needs
What's bad here? It's good actually
Socialism has failed in other countries. And it will fail in this one, too, especially if it further infiltrates (poisons?) our society as we know it. Capitalism is what has made America a number-one world power, giving people freedom to branch out and explore new ideas and achieve their dreams. Why battle and remedy what you believe to be "unfairness" with more unfairness?
And you say everyone should be the same? No, thanks. The kind of nation that you envision would be a boring place to be. This isn't Europe; this is America.
Socialism has failed in other countries. And it will fail in this one, too, especially if it further infiltrates (poisons?) our society as we know it. Capitalism is what has made America a number-one world power, giving people freedom to branch out and explore new ideas and achieve their dreams. Why battle and remedy what you believe to be "unfairness" with more unfairness?
And you say everyone should be the same? No, thanks. The kind of nation that you envision would be a boring place to be. This isn't Europe; this is America.
Hmmmm.....so are you telling me that socialist countries such as Canada, Australia, Singapore, New Zealand, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, UK, Finland, Netherland and Switzerland have been failures? Thats odd, because many people seem to be doing just fine over there. Oh and of course, Forbes (a socialist empowering website) has stated that many of these countries are generally pretty darn happy.....some even higher then the US
What we need to do is survey the public on what is useful to them and use this information to find mismatches with demand dollars spent and use this as a starting point
They are surveyed every day. The send their answers to the survey with how they spend money. Obviously millions more think JB is useful to them than a non-existent piece of complex art. I won't spend a penny on JB, but no one forces me to. So that's OK.
Amazon is doing just fine. In fact, they're making pretty good profits.
Just to be factually correct - do you realize Amazon has nearly zero profit over its life? They sell a lot (revenue), but they have very little profit.
Hmmmm.....so are you telling me that socialist countries such as Canada, Australia, Singapore, New Zealand, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, UK, Finland, Netherland and Switzerland have been failures? Thats odd, because many people seem to be doing just fine over there. Oh and of course, Forbes (a socialist empowering website) has stated that many of these countries are generally pretty darn happy.....some even higher then the US
Just like so many people here, you don't understand what socialism is. The countries you listed are not socialist countries. It is more accurate to describe some of these countries as social democracies (not all of them are). They have rich social services, but in general they do not own industries.
Venezuela and Cuba are socialist. The government owns almost everything and exercises centralized control over the economy.
Amazon obviously makes profit; it's deliberate if they show 0 profit on paper
They pay everything out in dividends and the biggest shareholders are basically the entity itself and their pockets move amazon. So dividends is just another word for retained earnings.
It's a facade structure that appears 0 profit, kind of like the CEO who earns $1/year and gets $500,000,000 worth Of call options on company stock
Just like so many people here, you don't understand what socialism is. The countries you listed are not socialist countries. It is more accurate to describe some of these countries as social democracies (not all of them are). They have rich social services, but in general they do not own industries.
Venezuela and Cuba are socialist. The government owns almost everything and exercises centralized control over the economy.
I would say socialism are the democracies in Europe and socialism works and is based on incentives based on use values rather than exchange values
Socialism means we really value people and their needs
Instead of saying all dollar bills are created equal
We finally impose all men and women created equal in their capabilities and needs
What's bad here? It's good actually
Every 16 year old thinks Socialism is great. Unfortunately, people won't work, if it doesn't make their lives better.
Let's look at the smallest scale: every commune in human history started with this great ideal. They all failed--every single one. Why? Because a few people end up doing all the work, while everyone else reaps the benefits. Eventually the responsible people get tired of being taken advantage of. It's human nature.
On a larger, national scale, let me offer an anecdote: There was a base in Holy Loch, Scotland, where American submarines used to prepare for patrol. The Navy men would sometimes get time to go to eat in town, where there would be one tiny "restaurant" -- a small room in a small house, where they would cook for you. Only a tiny group could go at a town, since the "restaurant" had a capacity of about 6 guests. When asked why they didn't expand, since there were many American servicemen who would like to get off the boat and eat, they replied "Why would we do that? We would have to work harder, but at a 95% tax rate, we wouldn't get to keep enough to make it worth it."
And if you think America hasn't ALREADY adopted Socialism, you should study American history -- before the Big Government Welfare State arose. Before our generous welfare state became a lure to poverty-stricken Central and South America, and beyond. While America traditionally had a strong work ethic, the ever-increasing needs of those who don't/won't work mean taxes MUST skyrocket, until there is simply no way to get ahead by working more/harder. Suddenly, everyone starts to realize that they can live better by NOT working--and they also have tons of free time. Fewer and fewer work at all (and this is America, today). And the system collapses (America, tomorrow).
United Kingdom, that includes Scotland, is not a socialist country, as a matter of fact it's a kingdom with a queen and official religion. Furthermore the tax rate there was never 95% and UK is known for innovations and a affluence.
I have no idea how people come with such lunatic ideas like calling the UK socialist or thinking that America is any closer to socialism as it was 50 years ago. As a matter of fact I know why: it's the lack of education.
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Originally Posted by NHartphotog
Every 16 year old thinks Socialism is great. Unfortunately, people won't work, if it doesn't make their lives better.
Let's look at the smallest scale: every commune in human history started with this great ideal. They all failed--every single one. Why? Because a few people end up doing all the work, while everyone else reaps the benefits. Eventually the responsible people get tired of being taken advantage of. It's human nature.
On a larger, national scale, let me offer an anecdote: There was a base in Holy Loch, Scotland, where American submarines used to prepare for patrol. The Navy men would sometimes get time to go to eat in town, where there would be one tiny "restaurant" -- a small room in a small house, where they would cook for you. Only a tiny group could go at a town, since the "restaurant" had a capacity of about 6 guests. When asked why they didn't expand, since there were many American servicemen who would like to get off the boat and eat, they replied "Why would we do that? We would have to work harder, but at a 95% tax rate, we wouldn't get to keep enough to make it worth it."
And if you think America hasn't ALREADY adopted Socialism, you should study American history -- before the Big Government Welfare State arose. Before our generous welfare state became a lure to poverty-stricken Central and South America, and beyond. While America traditionally had a strong work ethic, the ever-increasing needs of those who don't/won't work mean taxes MUST skyrocket, until there is simply no way to get ahead by working more/harder. Suddenly, everyone starts to realize that they can live better by NOT working--and they also have tons of free time. Fewer and fewer work at all (and this is America, today). And the system collapses (America, tomorrow).
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