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Old 03-04-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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was bill clinton a 'self-branded bigot' when he signed the defense of marriage act?

what about obama 5 years ago? another 'self-branded bigot'?

Yep and yep.


That, or politically calculating opportunists.



Luckily, they corrected their past errors.

 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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AND, I hope they get sued. If the heterosexual bakers cannot say no to baking a cake for a Homosexual marriage, then vice versa is true and the barber/hairdresser cannot refuse service to a heterosexual, just because THEY don't agree with each other's decisions.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
You can sue for anything, but can you win. If there are laws in that state/municipality prohibiting discrimination due to political speech, she'd have a shot.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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LMAO! So it's '' discrimination '' when a person refuses a specific service on the grounds of their religious values, but it's perfectly fine and is the business owner's right to refuse service to a person who has different political views?

The hypocrisy of gay activists and their supporters is not only hilarious, it's also completely asinine! Especially because they seem to be completely unaware of it.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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LMAO! So it's '' discrimination '' when a person refuses a specific service on the grounds of their religious values, but it's perfectly fine and is the business owner's right to refuse service to a person who has different political views?

The hypocrisy of gay activists and their supporters is not only hilarious, it's also completely asinine! Especially because they seem to be completely unaware of it.
It's not hypocrisy. Discrimination based on speech is DIFFERENT than discrimination based on an immutable characteristic.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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I hope someone starts to sue your businesses, give you a taste of your own medicine!

Only difference is that you guys refuse ALL services completey out of hate and intolerance toward others beliefs, where as the Religious owned businesses refused only specific services out of respect for their deeply held religious values. None of them were homophobic or hated gays at all.

These kinds of things don't help your cause for the record. It does the exact opposite, it just makes you look like bullies.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Exactly. Now, if he refused service politician because she was STRAIGHT, then that would be hypocrisy.

Frankly it's no different than anyone refusing to serve a politician that holds views they do not agree with.
The correct term is HETEROSEXUAL or REGULAR. "Straight" is for rulers and yardsticks!
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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It's not hypocrisy. Discrimination based on speech is DIFFERENT than discrimination based on an immutable characteristic.
Guess I should be allowed to not serve gay activists, simply because they have different political views than I do and an immutable characteristic?

Do you see the holes in your arguments? You guys know this is wrong, but you just let your personal biases get in the way of admitting it.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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Guess I should be allowed to not serve gay activists, simply because they have different political views than I do
You do.

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and an immutable characteristic?
Yes. Sexual orientation is an innate, immutable characteristic.

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Do you see the holes in your arguments? You guys know this is wrong, but you just let your personal biases get in the way of admitting it.
No, I don't see the holes in my argument. I see counter arguments, but I find them less compelling than the arguments on my side.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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Guess I should be allowed to not serve gay activists, simply because they have different political views than I do and an immutable characteristic?

Do you see the holes in your arguments? You guys know this is wrong, but you just let your personal biases get in the way of admitting it.
For some reason they don't seem to think it would be ok to deny service to gays because you don't believe in their political views but ok to do the reverse.
 
Old 03-04-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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For some reason they don't seem to think it would be ok to deny service to gays because you don't believe in their political views but ok to do the reverse.
Gay is a sexual orientation - not a political view.
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