Should electronic cigarettes be covered under smoking bans? (suspect, rating, states)

[Torpedos]

Those e-cigs give second hand vapor damage..... You heard it hear first. It sounds stupid? But let some guy who claims to be A scientist say it, and the people will believe it. And then it will be banned. All that is needed is a good propaganda campaign.

[Kamsack]

To me smoking ban means smoking ban.. regardless of what it is.....

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by DaninEGF

To me smoking ban means smoking ban.. regardless of what it is.....

Do you not know the difference between smoke and vapor? Vaping is NOT smoking.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

...the same way caffeine is regulated since both nicotine and caffeine are similarly addictive.

Being a coffee drinker and a smoker I'd have to disagree, the nicotine is far more addictive.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Being a coffee drinker and a smoker I'd have to disagree, the nicotine is far more addictive.

I'll agree with that in spades....

[majoun]

It will mean fewer people will quit smoking, and many ex-smokers will start smoking again.

[MattCW]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

I make this stuff myself...I know exactly what goes in it. There's nothing magical about it. It's four ingredients:

Food-grade Propylene Glycol (carries flavor)
Food-grade Vegetable Glycerine (makes vapor)
Liquid Nicotine in a PG carrier
Made in USA, specialized flavorings specifically designed to be vaped (no diacetyl, triacetin, acetoin or acetyl propionyl)

That's it.

Well, on behalf of non-smokers everywhere, thank you for not putting anything too dangerous in there. But Propylene Glycol for instance, is being linked to an increase in respiratory disorders and seasonal allergies. But just because you only put stuff generally recognized as safe in your cigs, doesn't mean everyone else will.

Some vendors do use flavorings containing diacetyl, triacetin, acetoin, or acetyl propionyl but these are primarily of concern to the person inhaling them. Many perfumes also contain these ingredients, by the way. And so does a lot of microwave popcorn. If they are going to be in ejuice, they are almost always found in custard and/or butter-flavored juice. You can, however, make these flavors without those chemicals. It's just more expensive.

So if you eat microwave popcorn (or movie popcorn) or wear cologne/perfume or use scented personal care products of any kind...or even burning scented candles...you are probably inhaling those chemicals anyway. So....stop with the "toxins" BS.

I can choose whether to expose myself to virtually all of those. Some minor exposure may occur in public being near a perfume wearer, but that's really it out of those examples, and I doubt it's nearly as concentrated as the ones in ecigs, particularly if the person puffing away is close by. Ecigs aren't necessary for society to function, and it is unreasonable to force people to who do not wish so, to breathe in the vapors REGARDLESS of their toxicity.

[xray731]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Well, on behalf of non-smokers everywhere, thank you for not putting anything too dangerous in there. But Propylene Glycol for instance, is being linked to an increase in respiratory disorders and seasonal allergies. But just because you only put stuff generally recognized as safe in your cigs, doesn't mean everyone else will.

I can choose whether to expose myself to virtually all of those. Some minor exposure may occur in public being near a perfume wearer, but that's really it out of those examples, and I doubt it's nearly as concentrated as the ones in ecigs, particularly if the person puffing away is close by. Ecigs aren't necessary for society to function, and it is unreasonable to force people to who do not wish so, to breathe in the vapors REGARDLESS of their toxicity.

Then walk away!

You have that choice. Every year it's something else - use plastic bags - save the trees - now don't use plastic bags - their harmful to the ecology. Don't drink coffee - became the benefits of coffee. I am sure you subject your body to many more toxins known and unknown day in and day out.

What I don't want is more gov't control -in 30 years - they've turned a hard working, intelligent American society into sniveling, dependent, less intelligent and more needy demanding masses.

[CSD610]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Fine, ignore the nicotine, that still leaves other chemicals.

Do you actually know anything at all about an electronic cigarette and what actual contents are in the cartridge?

Seriously, you cannot "catch" anything from non nicotine water vapor, can you understand this on any level?
The low fat, no fat, articifical color, flavor and sweetners so many eat and are so proud of because they are "so healthy" are poisoning themselves with all the artificial all chemical crap than I ever will being a smoker or an electronic cigarette user.
Before you condemn everyone who does something that you think is not good for you..........sweep out your own pantry first and find out all the facts about water vapor, then we'll chat, maybe.

Listening to someone who is completely clueless about a topic is not necessary for society to function either and it is unreasonable to expect others who do know the facts to be exposed to it and have to endure reading about it or listening to the uninformed. Unfortunately there is no way to stop the uninformed from being uninformed because they generally know absolutely everything about everything that really has no affect on their own lives and refuse to believe that there are actual proven facts because those facts go against all the "do gooders bad for you" propaganda.

[Bamford]

Car emissions and emissions from power stations, chemical plants and factories produce more dangerous risks to the average human than a life time of being exposed to water vapours from e-cigarettes.