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View Poll Results: how long
5 years 15 36.59%
10 years 5 12.20%
20 years 2 4.88%
never......the party will just fade out of existance the same way other political parties in our short history have 19 46.34%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-09-2014, 07:33 AM
bUU
 
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I think the OP reflects a misunderstanding of the reality. The antipathy for social liberalism wasn't born in the 1960s when the GOP started becoming the bastion of religious reactionaries and self-serving self-centeredness. Indeed, social liberalism itself is that which is relatively new, having effectively been "born" in the late 17th century. We're a little more than 335 years into the ascendancy of the human race out of the callousness and brutality of the previous age. All along there have been people who, fearful of how progress will affect them personally or affect that which they personally value, resist and otherwise rationalize obstruction to the maturing of our species in the form of expansion of compassion for, consideration of, and respect for others. There will always be people spewing vacuous vitriol in a lame effort to rationalize their own regressive orthodoxy.

 
Old 03-09-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Very soon, assuming they want to win elections
I think you and the OP are missing that more people now are pro-life/anti-abortion.

"The 41% of Americans who now identify themselves as "pro-choice" is down from 47% last July and is one percentage point below the previous record low in Gallup trends, recorded in May 2009. Fifty percent now call themselves "pro-life," one point shy of the record high, also from May 2009."

"Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

Perhaps when the libs catch up with womb technology they'll learn they're murdering a baby. Right now, they don't even want to look.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 07:50 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I think the OP reflects a misunderstanding of the reality. The antipathy for social liberalism wasn't born in the 1960s when the GOP started becoming the bastion of religious reactionaries and self-serving self-centeredness. Indeed, social liberalism itself is that which is relatively new, having effectively been "born" in the late 17th century. We're a little more than 335 years into the ascendancy of the human race out of the callousness and brutality of the previous age. All along there have been people who, fearful of how progress will affect them personally or affect that which they personally value, resist and otherwise rationalize obstruction to the maturing of our species in the form of expansion of compassion for, consideration of, and respect for others. There will always be people spewing vacuous vitriol in a lame effort to rationalize their own regressive orthodoxy.
You have no clue what you're talking about. You do not know what modern "progressivism" is. Progressivism is a political philosophy that is based on Marxist/socialist thought, which is the oppression and brutality of "the previous age" (to quote you).

America, and limited, Constitutional, self-government, is still the newest idea in the history of man. Returning to socialism is not "progress."
 
Old 03-09-2014, 07:58 AM
bUU
 
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You have no clue what you're talking about.
Rather, I do know what I'm talking about, and you were so incensed by having the perspective you prefer utterly decimated by historical fact that you reacted emotionally and posted a completely inane and ridiculous attempt to deny the reality and deflect attention away from the reality that you don't like.

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You do not know what modern "progressivism" is.
Says someone who entrenched in antipathy for progressivism that every comment he posts drips with propagandist nonsense aimed at rationalizing callous disregard for others, his favored political perspective.

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Progressivism is a political philosophy that is based on Marxist/socialist thought
Because, of course, marriage equality is something Marx advocated.

Try to get a grip on reality. Thanks.

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Old 03-09-2014, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Rather, I do know what I'm talking about, and you were so incensed by having the perspective you prefer utterly decimated by historical fact that you reacted emotionally and posted a completely inane and ridiculous attempt to deny the reality and deflect attention away from the reality that you don't like.

Says someone who entrenched in antipathy for progressivism that every comment he posts drips with propagandist nonsense aimed at rationalizing callous disregard for others, his favored political perspective.

Because, of course, marriage equality is something Marx advocated.

Try to get a grip on reality. Thanks.
Social policy, not marriage equality.
Broaden the definition and then specify it within the context of the historical time.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 08:23 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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Reread the thread title: Social views. Period. If you want to move the goal posts, feel free to do so with your own comments, rather than trying to do so in a reply to the comments made by other people.

Regardless, the contention that most people prior to 1687 lived "free", in the manner some reactionaries in this thread are trying to dupe readers into thinking, is ridiculous. Society is 337+ years into its ascendancy out of the muck, no matter how much you try to deny it in your own mind.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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At what point will the Republican party start to really back off on conservative social views?
Conservatives will "back off" when it is proven irrefutably that there is no harm to society, and it costs society absolutely nothing.

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At some point it will be impossible for a candidate with conservative social views to get elected into office in this country. When considering that most young people in this country hold progressive social views regardless of their fiscal views, it's only a matter of time before this happens. How long do you think it will take before we start to see major changes in the republican party regarding social views?
"Most young people?"

Most young people have their heads up their full-point-of-contact. In fact, most people couldn't tell their head from a hole in the ground.

At the end of the day, most morons are still stupid, right?

It doesn't really matter anyway, since social views are cyclical

You speak from arrogance.

That would be part of the having your head up your full-point-of-contact, and not being able to tell your head from a hole in the ground I mentioned earlier.

You're not the first generation to be "progressive" and a critical thinker would now wonder what happened to those other progressive generations, and the societies in which they lived.

Yeah, that would be part of the cyclical thing I mentioned earlier.

The fact that you might consider Generation X and Y to be progressive, is not proof that Generation Z will be progressive, or the Generation following them.

In fact, the odds, according history, shows they will not....people's views -- especially generational views -- are often dictated by circumstances, especially economic and political circumstances.

Not backing off....

Mircea
 
Old 03-09-2014, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Reread the thread title: Social views. Period. If you want to move the goal posts, feel free to do so with your own comments, rather than trying to do so in a reply to the comments made by other people.

Regardless, the contention that most people prior to 1687 lived "free", in the manner some reactionaries in this thread are trying to dupe readers into thinking, is ridiculous. Society is 337+ years into its ascendancy out of the muck, no matter how much you try to deny it in your own mind.
Conservatives have no reason to change their views.
You can't force someone to change their views even when the laws change.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 10:27 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Rather, I do know what I'm talking about, and you were so incensed by having the perspective you prefer utterly decimated by historical fact that you reacted emotionally and posted a completely inane and ridiculous attempt to deny the reality and deflect attention away from the reality that you don't like.
What "historical fact," has "decimated" the "perspective [i] prefer?"

The historical fact is that self-government (often referred to as "the American experiment") had never previously been tried, and the founders ideas had been born out of the philosophies of great thinkers like John Locke, Cicero, and others, which is where the ideas of "natural rights" came from, and which "progressives" reject.

The current Progressive Movement was founded by Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, and others. Progressives reject the founders principles of natural rights, and of a fixed human nature, believing that human nature has "evolved." This, they believe, justifies their efforts to abandon such protections the founders built into our government, such as separation of powers, and other checks and balances in our system, which progressives view as stumbling blocks, and an impedance to "progress," which in their minds is the establishment of big government programs to deal with societies problems, and a new definition of "equality" that undermines Liberty.

A look around the world makes it clear to anyone who is observant that human nature has not changed, as there is still much oppression in the world, where people are subjects of totalitarian regimes, and poverty is rampant. There is as much evil in the world today as there ever was in all of human history. Man has not changed in nature at all. That is the reality which you ignore.

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Says someone who entrenched in antipathy for progressivism that every comment he posts drips with propagandist nonsense aimed at rationalizing callous disregard for others, his favored political perspective.

Because, of course, marriage equality is something Marx advocated.

Try to get a grip on reality. Thanks.
I have a firm grip on reality. I do not believe in the utopian fantasy dream that you, as a progressive, believe the world can be; all rainbows, unicorns, and butterflies.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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Conservatives have no reason to change their views.
You can't force someone to change their views even when the laws change.
Well you have said a mouth full!

If Conservatives changed their views they wouldn't be "Conservatives' would they?
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