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Old 03-11-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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Maybe you think differently. There should be an objective here, the three super powers need to be at least united in things to do with stability which include a forward economic environment.

Tension and conflict is man's largest problem. So point is, if there is no foundation to build from there is no point in anything at all.Trying to achieve embarrassment to almost everything is not constructive to any genuine goal. Obama is doing fine, in opinion fox news just gets in the way and tries to embarrass everyone.
When it comes to foreign relations, Obama is disconnected, aloof, and is always willing to cede the high ground to anyone who asks for it. Obama embarrasses the nation with his feckless foreign policy.

We all saw this coming, and as soon as Putin made his move, Obama should have been there with a diplomatic, or economic response from a coalition of allied nations.

Instead we got bupkiss, with a man searching for a coherent thought with his "I stand with the world community," which means absolutely nothing. He may as well be standing on a crowdwd NYC street corner and claimed he stood for whatever that crowd stands for, when over half of them either don't know what the hell he's talking about or they don't care.

And then he sends out J.F. Kerry,essentially telling Putin stop this behavior or he will be "unfriended" on his Twitter account, and if he does not comply, he'll 'unfriend" him on FaceBook too.
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:47 PM
 
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Saw it coming? Ah no. Wrong.

Sorry Obama is far better at foreign relations then Bush who was at foreign relations.

Due to Obama the US is at a far better image then in the past 20 years. We aren't as despised as we were under Bush. Al-Qaeda is far more afraid of Obama then it was of Bush who viewed Bush as their best recruitment tool of the ages.
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Old 03-11-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Oh I dunno. Obama has not only kept us out of needless wars, he has wrapped up the useless wars that Bush started at the cost of 4000 of our soldiers lives. In spite of not having a trigger finger for war, the sky hasn't fallen.

I will take a president with brains over a macho, shirtless, stone cold killer.

If you want a leader who makes decisions and executes them within the day, have the GOP in congress move aside and allow this. Putin has the power of a dictator. In America, we have a form of governing referred to as "Checks and Balances."

Review here:Separation of powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Obama has "kept us out of needless wars?" What the hell was that he wanted to do in Syria a while back? He wanted to go in their. What the hell was it that we involved ourselves in in Egypt and Libya, but back, even facilitate, the Muslim Brotherhood (our enemy) take over of both! Then, Obama was conspicuously absent when al-Qaeda attacked our facilities in Benghazi, in which he let four Americans die! What do you mean he has "kept us out" (yes, perhaps all out war); he has been the primary cause of the mess the Middle East has become today! For cryin' out loud!

And he has not "wrapped up" any wars! We are still in Afghanistan, and he has given over Iraq to the Muslim Brotherhood too, squandering all we had accomplished there. Iran now owns that air space.

So, Americans died in vain, and the Iraqi people are no better of than they were before we liberated them.

What is the matter with you liberals?

What brains? Barack Obama has no brains. He is worse than Jimmy Carter. The man is stupid. STUPID!
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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Obama didn't want to go into Syria.

We didn't help the Muslim Brotherhood take over. That was Bush who did that.

Obama was not absent for Benghazi. The CIA was responsible for security there since that was a CIA outpost. Btw the Ambassador had refused three separate offers of security teams from the military. He turned them down. It's on record. The CIA hired local militias and gov't contractors such as Blackwater and Blue Mountain for security.

Iraq was handed over to Iran by Bush. Iraq's majority population is Shiite. You know the people that Bush listened that were Iraqi such as Ahmed Abdel Hadi Chalabi who was called by George W Bush and other conservatives as the Iraqi George Washington. Well guess Ahmed and the other Iraqis that got put in gov't positions by the Coalition that Bush setup those guys have found to be paid Iranian agents. In other words George W Bush was the unwitting Butt Buddy of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who did Iran's most desired wish in removing their most hated enemy who halted any advance of power they had in the region.

Al-qaeda didn't attack in Benghazi either.

The Muslim Brotherhood is Sunni. Sunnis hate Shiites to the point where they having a holy war in Syria. The Iraqis in Syria that are fighting are Shiite and they are fighting the Sunnis that are being funded by the Saudis. The Muslim Brotherhood has no real power in Iraq since Sunnis are a minority and a hated minority that was on the verge of being exterminated by the Shiites in Iraq after Saddam was removed by the US. Guess what part of that hostility in Iraq towards the US? It was from Sunnis whose families were being killed by Shiites and they blamed the US for it.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:21 PM
 
Location: CO
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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.),09/15/2013:

“You have Putin playing chess and Obama playing, frankly, a very lucky game of tic-tac-toe,” Gingrich said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” … “We are now relying on the Russians,” said Gingrich, now a host of CNN’s â€Crossfire.” We’re now following from behind – not leading from behind. This is not a good long-term position.”
Right continues to draw hearts on Putin pictures | MSNBC
That's crazy - Newt flipped dramatically in a matter of 3 days. Good find.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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They always pretend they never said what they just said; like we don't have video or copies of webpages but that is the life of the wing nut. They know their followers are cretins so they're surprised to find out most other people are not cretins.
If Obama had a spine and did not cave to Putin on the missile defense system in Europe, we might not be back to a cold war again. Obama trying to cut the military to pre WWII levels doesn't help either. And BTW I don't hear th OP commenting when we called their bluff on the conservatives calling Putin a thug. They were wrong about that too.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:11 PM
 
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Fox doesn't present both sides. They do not have real liberals on. Those are centrists. They have fake liberals on. They do not dig deep for a story unless you mean they dig deep in bull**** mountain for their stories.

Let see Fox promoted the fake ACORN videos and presented O'keefe in his pimp getup claiming he went in dressed like that when in reality he didn't. Oh btw Acorn was cleared of all charges while O'keefe almost went to jail.



Why have so many former employees have come forward telling nasty behind the scenes details that would have gotten fox news people in jail years ago before Fox News won a court case saying that fox news had the right to lie and wasn't a news channel?

Well then I recommend you do not watch Fox News as your news source. You are indeed missing out on quality programing.
You spoke of Acorn and since we are all ready there Planned Parenthood. Thanks for Fox exposing the corruption that Liberals cry in the middle of the night! The proof was obsolute and those Federal Programs paid by the American Tax Payer was abused by those Folks.

They have real journalist from the , Washington Post. , the Wall Street Journal. The Daily Standard to mention a few. They even invited Debbie S Shultz and our favorite purple pill lady Nancy Polse.

I get my news from different sources and even the BBC every once in awhile. Most people who watch Fox are like me. What is Great about Bill O'Rielly is he challenges the viewer to check it out!

As far of former employer, well I see Fox getting talent from the other net works and these same new broadcasters love the creative freedom that fox allows their broadcasters to have. Journalist actually line to be part of Fox. sounds to me you have a case of sour grapes!

Your Premise is in correct and definitely you should not watch Fox. After all you guys hate a different answer than what you been programed by Liberal Media!:rol leyes:
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:12 PM
 
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Putin is old school... a man is a man and a woman is a woman...no in between...Some admire him because he represents a by gone era when things were simple and orderly....
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:15 PM
 
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Putin is old school... a man is a man and a woman is a woman...no in between...Some admire him because he represents a by gone era when things were simple and orderly....
The vast majority of the globe is still this way. The USA (and few Western European nations) are pushing the new agenda.
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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Well here is the thing. Russia has always been what the Republicans what the wanted the US to be. In the Soviet Union under Communism the teaching of evolution was banned. Pornography was illegal, gays were sent to concentration camps to be taught to be straight. The state was the church. In many ways the Red State Russians were the Conservative Utopia. And today it is even more the Republican utopia. So Republicans should immigrate to Russia post haste!

'Daily Show' Visits Russia, Discovers It's A Republican Paradise
Very true - the backward state Russia is in is basically where the Tea Party nuts want to take this nation. Modern Russia in no way looks like anything progressive or "liberal."

To answer the question - why would the right praise Putin? Two reasons:

1) "My team is better than your team!" Extremist on both sides - although it is far more common on the right these days - don't care if the world burns so long as it makes "the other guy" look bad. Any bad thing that happens to Obama they see as a good thing, even though they are too stupid to realize the harm that is being done to the nation in the process. There were people like this back in the Bush days who felt the same way about him, but it has never been as bad as it's been since Obama was elected. The number of people today who would gladly see the world burn if it meant Obama's popularity score fell a few point is sickening and telling sign of how badly this nation has degraded over the years.

2) Mistaking brute force for leadership. Keep in mind that many of the people who praise Putin's "decisive leadership" and "effective military action" are effectively praising evil with their actions. There's a certain sect of the population that looks up to ruthless behavior, no matter how evil, and who considered violence some sort of proof of one's "manhood." These are the same people who usually have severe gun fetishes, who believe we should turn the whole Mid-East to glass with nuclear weapons, who loudly discuss who they are going to kill "when that day comes," and who are just itching to start a world war to prove that 'merica has the biggest... implement... People with this belief system are dangerous children.
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