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We all seem to forget at the begining of the Vietnam and Iraq wars more than 80% of the general public supported them whether or not they believed it was winnible or not. Does that say more about politicians or us? Imagine if WW1 or WW2 had the same media coverage as these two modern wars and Americans were constantly bombarded with images of dead American soldiers. This could have easily turned public opinion of dying on European battlefields against the war and the Central and Axis powers would have been able to exploit this advantage. Food for thought.
Imagine if WW1 or WW2 had the same media coverage as these two modern wars and Americans were constantly bombarded with images of dead American soldiers.
We didn't belong in those wars either, so I don't know what your point is.
We didn't belong in those wars either, so I don't know what your point is.
ooooook. So I guess we should have just let Hitler and Tojo realize their visions of world domination? Whatever. Giap published a book called Peoples War Peoples Army in which he predicted, line item, EXACTLY how the US involvement in Viet Nam would pan out. He was right. So was Ho in his book that he wrote about the same subject. Their premise was that the American people (especially of that time period) had no stomach for a real fight and thus the communist insurgency , which was DEDICATED, and in it for the long haul would be ultimatley victorious. Shocking.. Our leaders and a large segment of our citizenry, have no concept of what it takes to win a war. It's a messy, bloody, and brutal business that nobody in their right mind wants to have to take on, but it is also a necessary thing at times. Our enemies both here and abroad, are fully aware of our weaknesses and they will continue to exploit them. Our strategy and tactics have become totally predictable as they revolve around the fear of casualties, both our troops and the inevitable "collateral damage". Our opponents have no such worries. Must be nice.
The democrats/liberals who lost the war in vietnam are the same ones who tried to lose the war in Iraq.
Very true. One certain poster in here (he knows who he is) has exactly that point of view. he revels in the flag draped metal coffins and our maimed men an women who have to come home and deal with a system that would just as soon forget them. These types applaud gleefully when a suicide bomber blows up a troop concentration (along with a few civilians) and blames our guys for being there in the first place. Where are the howls of protest about "collateral damge" when these Islamonazis kill children in one of their attacks? . No it is only WE the big bad US that gets demonized for casualties of war. My Father did four tours in Viet Nam. I remember well all the "protesters" and "students" whos consience (or lack of) dictated that they spit on our returning troops and worship the ground Jane Fonda walked on. Being a military kid was tough back then, it's hard for me to think about what it was really like for my Dad and all the others who came home to a nation filled with scungy hippies calling them "baby killer". Our current conflicts are necessary, these terrorists must be dealt with. And the only diplomacy they understand comes through superior firepower. That is the reality of it. We are in this fight, and we better get in it to win it. They will NOT "leave us alone" should we back away, quivering in shame at our "Americanism" (as certain folks would have us do). I'm afraid that that will be exactly what happens though. It is a direct slap in the face to our troops who have died and come home in puffer chairs. We OWE our fighting forces our support and our dedication should , at the very least, match theirs. They don't want to be there, but they are required to be, we need to let them WIN.
North Vietnamese General: America Lost (The Vietnam War) at Home
RUSH: How many of you remember the name General Giap from the North Vietnamese army?
among them was to reestablish their own ability to influence people into the United States losing a war that the media was opposed to. Scary, scary stuff.
So now Rush Limbaugh considers a communist North Vietnam General who killed 1000s of american soldiers a reliable source.
ooooook. So I guess we should have just let Hitler and Tojo realize their visions of world domination?
Is there a government-issue cliche in existence that you won't parrot?
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Whatever. Giap published a book called Peoples War Peoples Army in which he predicted, line item, EXACTLY how the US involvement in Viet Nam would pan out. He was right. So was Ho in his book that he wrote about the same subject. Their premise was that the American people (especially of that time period) had no stomach for a real fight and thus the communist insurgency , which was DEDICATED, and in it for the long haul would be ultimatley victorious.
Sounds like they had more on the ball than our leaders of the same period.
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Shocking.. Our leaders and a large segment of our citizenry, have no concept of what it takes to win a war. It's a messy, bloody, and brutal business that nobody in their right mind wants to have to take on, but it is also a necessary thing at times.
No U.S. foreign wars were ever necessary to maintain American independence. Unless you mean "necessary" for some other country's end, in which case you can drop the more-patriotic-than-thou posture.
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Our enemies both here and abroad, are fully aware of our weaknesses and they will continue to exploit them. Our strategy and tactics have become totally predictable as they revolve around the fear of casualties, both our troops and the inevitable "collateral damage". Our opponents have no such worries. Must be nice.
If it has the effect of keeping us out of wars and getting our butts kicked when we're immoral enough to start them, then that's just fine with me.
The war in Vietnam wasn't so much about Communism vs. Capitalism. it was about colonialism, as were most Cold War era conflicts.
It started after WWII when the French attempted to retain control in French Indochina as they attempted in French Algeria. Ho Chi Mihn became popular in Vietnam for leading his men to defeat the French and drive them from Vietnam. He just happened to be a Communist. His followers were not necessarily Communists themselves, but they saw Communist China and the Communist Viet Cong as the only alternative to Colonial rule. The spread of Communism in Vietnam rode the wave of anti-colonial sentiment that was spreading through not just Vietnam but a number of other African, Middle/Far Eastern. and Latin countries. Had the US urged the French to stop their subjugation of the Vietnamese, they could have won their freedom without having to rely on Communist Guerrillas and aid.
America lost the Vietnam war when it tacitly approved colonialism.
If those CaNuks ever tried to invade the lower 48, we'd kick their Royal Bloody Butts.
But, alas, Mexico has toppled us without firing a shot.
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ooooook. So I guess we should have just let Hitler and Tojo realize their visions of world domination? Whatever. Giap published a book called Peoples War Peoples Army in which he predicted, line item, EXACTLY how the US involvement in Viet Nam would pan out. He was right. So was Ho in his book that he wrote about the same subject. Their premise was that the American people (especially of that time period) had no stomach for a real fight and thus the communist insurgency , which was DEDICATED, and in it for the long haul would be ultimatley victorious. Shocking.
. Our leaders and a large segment of our citizenry, have no concept of what it takes to win a war. It's a messy, bloody, and brutal business that nobody in their right mind wants to have to take on, but it is also a necessary thing at times. Our enemies both here and abroad, are fully aware of our weaknesses and they will continue to exploit them. Our strategy and tactics have become totally predictable as they revolve around the fear of casualties, both our troops and the inevitable "collateral damage". Our opponents have no such worries. Must be nice.
) has exactly that point of view. he revels in the flag draped metal coffins and our maimed men an women who have to come home and deal with a system that would just as soon forget them. These types applaud gleefully when a suicide bomber blows up a troop concentration (along with a few civilians) and blames our guys for being there in the first place. Where are the howls of protest about "collateral damge" when these Islamonazis kill children in one of their attacks? 
. No it is only WE the big bad US that gets demonized for casualties of war. My Father did four tours in Viet Nam. I remember well all the "protesters" and "students" whos consience (or lack of
) dictated that they spit on our returning troops and worship the ground Jane Fonda walked on. Being a military kid was tough back then, it's hard for me to think about what it was really like for my Dad and all the others who came home to a nation filled with scungy hippies calling them "baby killer". Our current conflicts are necessary, these terrorists must be dealt with. And the only diplomacy they understand comes through superior firepower. That is the reality of it. We are in this fight, and we better get in it to win it. They will NOT "leave us alone" should we back away, quivering in shame at our "Americanism" (as certain folks would have us do). I'm afraid that that will be exactly what happens though. It is a direct slap in the face to our troops who have died and come home in puffer chairs. We OWE our fighting forces our support and our dedication should , at the very least, match theirs. They don't want to be there, but they are required to be, we need to let them WIN.
