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Old 03-10-2014, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Just curious. As an avowed atheist, this to me is still one of the fundamental freedoms. Congressional candidate Erika Harold speaks powerfully about this freedom
here.

Is this now obsolete? We see now religious organizations compelled to comply with the tenor of the times. Don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding--you're sued. Don't want to supply birth control to your students--you're sued again--and get a dressing-down from the POTUS.

Do libs support or reject the free exercise of religion?

 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:49 PM
 
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Freedom of religion means you may practice any religion you'd like as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. Using religion as a justification to infringe on the rights of gays is not what is included in the First Amendment, nor is the First Amendment applicable in that defense.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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Freedom of religion has always been understood to mean, what you do to yourself in your own time.

Only recently did the Koch brothers' think tanks fund legislation meant to test the waters of exercising one's religion on other people.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Freedom of religion has always been understood to mean, what you do to yourself in your own time.

Only recently did the Koch brothers' think tanks fund legislation meant to test the waters of exercising one's religion on other people.
Koch brothers did it. Ok that's good. Please expand.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:01 PM
 
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How does not baking a cake "infringe" on anybody's rights? Is that in the big piece of paper? Is there something that says you have a right to get a cake from wherever you want? What kind of insanity is going on in this country.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Freedom of religion means you may practice any religion you'd like as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. Using religion as a justification to infringe on the rights of gays is not what is included in the First Amendment, nor is the First Amendment applicable in that defense.
Not to mention the 1st only protects people from GOVERNMENT action. Private citizens are still free to laugh at the fools and call them fools. Especially when they're dumb enough to think the 1st means they can discriminate against other people.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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Not to mention the 1st only protects people from GOVERNMENT action. Private citizens are still free to laugh at the fools and call them fools. Especially when they're dumb enough to think the 1st means they can discriminate against other people.
Yep, exactly. That's why that Religious freedom bill bull was a joke.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Freedom of religion means you may practice any religion you'd like as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. Using religion as a justification to infringe on the rights of gays is not what is included in the First Amendment, nor is the First Amendment applicable in that defense.
There is no right for a homosexual to force someone to bake cake for them against their will.

In fact the 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude.

You talk about not infringing on the rights of others, but don't seem to think that such limitations should be applied to people of faith.

What right does a homosexual have to infringe on the rights of a Christian baker?
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:23 PM
 
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These people are insane. They think they can MAKE somebody bake a cake for em. I wonder if I walked into a church and demanded they bake a cake for me what would happen??
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Because you're providing a service, and you can't deny your service using religion as an excuse.

Here is an extreme case of what happens when people deny services to those they are bigotted against.

Tyra Hunter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basically speaking, police officers, fire fighters, paramedics, nurses, and doctors that were involved denied their service to the transgendered person, leaving her to bleed to death.

Ask yourself this question. Do you really want to go down this route?

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Go ahead and invoke religion to defend bigotry.
Darn those intolerant, bigoted liberals in D.C. (a liberal city).
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