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Old 03-14-2014, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Obama, Reid and all the other fake filibustering, radical, left wing democrats state global warming is "settled science". They are full of hot air. Has any MSM network aired the fact that 31,000 scientists have signed a petition stating they believe there is no man made global warming and that greenhouse gases are actually beneficial to the Earth? Over 9,000 of these scientists have PHD's. The Petition Project has been going on since 2009 yet it receives no attention from the global warming kooks.

http://www.nipccreport.org/reports/2...20Petition.pdf
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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That's because it's garbage that came and went 16 years ago.

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Verifiability? Eh? What's that?

What the "petition" does in fact have is (approximately) 31,072 largely unverifiable signatures on slips of paper[2] which um... isn't really exactly the same thing. Hmmm, a petition of scientists of questionable repute to challenge a mainstream scientific view using a failed argument from authority -- that's a new one!
The barely legible sample signature on the example slip used by the project could be read to be "Edward Teller,"[3] and the word "physics" looks like it was scrawled by a six-year-old.[4] It would obviously be impossible to verify data provided in such a format, and it looks like an invitation for every Tom, Dick and Harry who holds an opinion to send in a form and claim to be a Ph.D.

All it takes is a scribble, and you too can have a Ph.D.!



The Seattle Times reported that it includes names such as: "Perry S. Mason" (the fictitious lawyer), "Michael J. Fox" (the actor), "Robert C. Byrd" (the Senator), "John C. Grisham" (the lawyer-author), not to mention a Spice Girl, a.k.a. Geraldine Halliwell: the petition listed "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell."[5] In an interview the Robinson, said, "When we're getting thousands of signatures there's no way of filtering out a fake." Scientific American examined the list and came to the conclusion that a large percentage of the alleged Ph, D. signatures probably are fake.[6]
Notwithstanding its rather dubious methodology and fake names, that bastion of scientific rigor, Fox News, has quoted the petition in its news stories.[7]
[edit] Specialist in everything

However, even if one were to assume that every single signature the petition has gathered was genuine, the petition fails in three other regards:
  • The validity of science is determined by the veracity of the evidence, not the number of people who think a scientific proposition is true. Thus the petition is little more than an example of argument from popularity.
  • Even if scientific truth could be derived from the people who accept it, the number of signatures is only a small fraction of all scientists.
  • Even by the admission and records of the petition itself, only a tiny fraction of the people who signed the petition hold a degree in any field relevant or related to climatology, with the plurality of signatures coming from engineers,[8] who are not scientists. The petition might as well be from the general public.

Shame on you for poisoning the public discourse with this garbage.
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:55 AM
 
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The validity of science is determined by the veracity of the evidence,

And in the case of global warming, it aint there. Computer models proposing to predict the future is not evidence of anything.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Burn 'em at the stake!

In case anyone wonders, this project isn't funded by the Evil Koch Brothers, Big Oil, or any others. It's funded only by donations from the scientists who sign the petition, and the funding primarily is used for postage and similar.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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"Opponents of the petition project sometimes submit forged signatures in efforts to discredit the project. Usually, these efforts are eliminated by our verification procedures. On one occasion, a forged signature appeared briefly on the signatory list. It was removed as soon as discovered.

In a group of more than 30,000 people, there are many individuals with names similar or identical to other signatories, or to non-signatories – real or fictional. Opponents of the petition project sometimes use this statistical fact in efforts to discredit the project. For examples, Perry Mason and Michael Fox are scientists who have signed the petition – who happen also to have names identical to fictional or real non-scientists."
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Please pay attention.

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"However, even if one were to assume that every single signature the petition has gathered was genuine, the petition fails in three other regards:
  • The validity of science is determined by the veracity of the evidence, not the number of people who think a scientific proposition is true. Thus the petition is little more than an example of argument from popularity.
  • Even if scientific truth could be derived from the people who accept it, the number of signatures is only a small fraction of all scientists.
  • Even by the admission and records of the petition itself, only a tiny fraction of the people who signed the petition hold a degree in any field relevant or related to climatology, with the plurality of signatures coming from engineers,[8] who are not scientists. The petition might as well be from the general public.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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Please pay attention.
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You just can't wait for us to be taxed for CO2 can you? Tell us, how does paying to produce CO2 eliminate it?
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Obama, Reid and all the other fake filibustering, radical, left wing democrats state global warming is "settled science". They are full of hot air. Has any MSM network aired the fact that 31,000 scientists have signed a petition stating they believe there is no man made global warming and that greenhouse gases are actually beneficial to the Earth? Over 9,000 of these scientists have PHD's. The Petition Project has been going on since 2009 yet it receives no attention from the global warming kooks.

http://www.nipccreport.org/reports/2...20Petition.pdf
31,000 people with a degree in a science subject supposedly signed a petition. The fact you have a degree in science does not automatically make you an expert in climate.

This is a bit like asking climatologist their views on medical conditions or veterinary science.

Ninety Seven percent (97%) of Climate Scientist agree humans play a role in global warming.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

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Old 03-14-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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The guy who started the petition was paid by Petroleum and tobacco companies.

Money talks bs walks.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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You just can't wait for us to be taxed for CO2 can you? Tell us, how does paying to produce CO2 eliminate it?
I couldn't care less about you or your taxes. I'm just proving right-wing denialists are liars.
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