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Old 03-16-2014, 08:54 PM
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Another thread proving that if President Obama said it, Conservatives will oppose it.


And people wonder why this nation is so divided, this thread is the only example needed.

The man says something non controversial and it becomes a fire fight only because he said it.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:28 PM
 
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I don't see what's wrong with this. Please tell me why each is so horrible.
"Freedom," he said, "is the peace of mind of knowing that if you got sick, you won't lose everything.

Pushing Obamacare. How is Obamacare a "freedom" when it is mandated by law.

"Freedom is the ability to change jobs and start a new business, chase a new idea without fear of losing your health insurance.


People are holding on to the job they have. Wasn't he going to be the great job creator? Pushing Obamacare.

"Freedom is signing for that new home and knowing it can't be taken from you because you actually understand what you're signing.


Is this to say that everyone that lost their home were illiterate?

"Freedom is getting that new credit card and knowing the stakes and understanding how you're going to manage it.


Billions of uncollected credit card debt in spite of knowing the stakes and NOT knowing how to manage credit card debt. Free to walk away from debt.

"Freedom is the knowledge that ... you're not going to be treated like a second-class person once we fix our broken immigration system. That's freedom."


Addressing illegals. Free to remain in the United States without penalty.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:39 PM
 
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And most conservatives are unable to have an intelligent conversation about anything. Today's conservatives can only repeat what their CEO leaders at Fox news, Rush radio, and their CEO politicians tell them. Or they attack, whine, and complain like young children.

Conservative used to mean to watch spending, have family values, have respect, and stand for whats right. But today's conservatives only stand for CEO tax cuts, corporate tax cuts, and corporate deregulation (while they say to hell with everything else.)
The definitions of words don't change, which is why obama can't change the meaning of freedom, and you can't change the meaning of conservative. If someone's beliefs change, the meaning of the word doesn't change, THEY do. Not too hard to understand. What you just described is a corporatist, not a conservative.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:35 PM
 
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Obama's Orwellian View Of Freedom

In a recent speech to the Democratic National Committee, the president lamented that "we've let the other side define the word 'freedom' for too long." Then, as he often does, Obama set up a straw man argument, claiming to Republicans freedom means "what's in it for me?" or "I've got no obligations to anybody."

Of course his interpretation is entirely wrong of what freedom is. He sets us his self made straw man as a platform to redefine what freedom is.

"Freedom," he said, "is the peace of mind of knowing that if you got sick, you won't lose everything.

"Freedom is the ability to change jobs and start a new business, chase a new idea without fear of losing your health insurance.

"Freedom is signing for that new home and knowing it can't be taken from you because you actually understand what you're signing.

"Freedom is getting that new credit card and knowing the stakes and understanding how you're going to manage it.

"Freedom is the knowledge that ... you're not going to be treated like a second-class person once we fix our broken immigration system. That's freedom."


These are not facets of freedom. Freedom has nothing to do with outcome or results.

Freedom is about a person living as they want to live (without infringing upon others), which includes enjoying and supporting ourselves as we see fit. This doesn't mean that all things will turn out like we want. At minimum, we should be holding to the freedoms defined in the framework documents.



Freedom!?!

More like Nanny State defined per Obama.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:36 PM
 
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I don't see what's wrong with this. Please tell me why each is so horrible.



Somehow we are not surprised at all.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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And most conservatives are unable to have an intelligent conversation about anything. Today's conservatives can only repeat what their CEO leaders at Fox news, Rush radio, and their CEO politicians tell them. Or they attack, whine, and complain like young children.

Conservative used to mean to watch spending, have family values, have respect, and stand for whats right. But today's conservatives only stand for CEO tax cuts, corporate tax cuts, and corporate deregulation (while they say to hell with everything else.)


Yet when conservatives stand for these things they are demonized & mocked by liberals for it.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:44 PM
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Somehow we are not surprised at all.
yet no one has actually explained what they disagree with about what he said. repeating "that is not freedom" in not an explanation
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:18 PM
 
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yet no one has actually explained what they disagree with about what he said. repeating "that is not freedom" in not an explanation
You must have missed this post

http://www.city-data.com/forum/33889982-post12.html
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:22 PM
 
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yet no one has actually explained what they disagree with about what he said. repeating "that is not freedom" in not an explanation
See my earlier post.

His "examples" of what freedom is, is not what thousands and thousands of Americans sacrificed their lives for ending up dead or disabled fighting to protect this country and it's freedoms. They paid the price for the freedoms you enjoy. Rather than looking to him for you to understand "freedom" you need to learn about American History.

How unfortunate you can't see that this is nothing more than him campaigning.

"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds"

Bob Marley

Maybe one day people will go back to a time when they free their minds and think for themselves, and not be lead by those who think for them.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:24 PM
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1.You could have just used the quote button you know ?

2. You do realize the post you linked to is talking about that posters perception of Barack Obama's actions, not his idea of freedoms.


to put it simply, if you say " he doesnt practice what he preaches" then you arent saying he is wrong in what he preaches, you are saying he is wrong in his actions.

there for, your link doesnt answer my post.
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