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And how would it look when all of you high income, college grads, hard working, innovation, law abiding people flee to these states, and prosper greatly under a very low sales tax, few regulations and laws, and massive amounts of freedom?
Well actually if that was true you and I would live in the epicenter. Not fantastic on sales tax but otherwise superlative. Don't you wonder why we have not been overwhelmed?
Well actually if that was true you and I would live in the epicenter. Not fantastic on sales tax but otherwise superlative. Don't you wonder why we have not been overwhelmed?
Mostly personal choice, but fewer people does mean more freedom..
Mostly personal choice, but fewer people does mean more freedom..
Now we maintain about the best environment around. Our Governor advertises it. And we sit tucked in next to CA. obviously about the worst offender. But they do not come do they?
In fact the best we get is Zappos and Tony. Actually pretty far out on the liberal wing.
So we do the things to call the capitalist entrepreneur and what we get is the progressives?
Explain that to me. I and the Governor would both like to understand.
Now we maintain about the best environment around. Our Governor advertises it. And we sit tucked in next to CA. obviously about the worst offender. But they do not come do they?
In fact the best we get is Zappos and Tony. Actually pretty far out on the liberal wing.
So we do the things to call the capitalist entrepreneur and what we get is the progressives?
Explain that to me. I and the Governor would both like to understand.
We get many high income earners, young college graduates, business owners, law abiding citizens..
We are not swamp, that is fact, but then again we get those who have seen the mess that California is..
But yes we get a few leftist sheeple as well..
We get many high income earners, young college graduates, business owners, law abiding citizens..
We are not swamp, that is fact, but then again we get those who have seen the mess that California is..
But yes we get a few leftist sheeple as well..
It is a pain is it not? Here is the ultimate environ for the entrepreneur. Protected from any attack by the possessive state. And what do they do...stay in CA and send heavy progressives to mine Nevada.
Sorry Gunlover...Nevada has always been the proof the entrepreneur will not run for money alone...
And how would it look when all of you high income, college grads, hard working, innovation, law abiding people flee to these states, and prosper greatly under a very low sales tax, few regulations and laws, and massive amounts of freedom?
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Originally Posted by lvoc
Now we maintain about the best environment around. Our Governor advertises it. And we sit tucked in next to CA. obviously about the worst offender. But they do not come do they?
In fact the best we get is Zappos and Tony. Actually pretty far out on the liberal wing.
So we do the things to call the capitalist entrepreneur and what we get is the progressives?
Explain that to me. I and the Governor would both like to understand.
But than again I am talking about free of and from federal laws, rules, and regulations..It would be heaven..
It is a pain is it not? Here is the ultimate environ for the entrepreneur. Protected from any attack by the possessive state. And what do they do...stay in CA and send heavy progressives to mine Nevada.
Sorry Gunlover...Nevada has always been the proof the entrepreneur will not run for money alone...
Hey, that is their choice, a moronic one, but their choice none the less, you always assume that just because they have not come yet, they never will, have you seen the mass exodus of that state? Most are going to Texas..
Furthermore we have a low regulations, high freedom state, if some people can not understand, and choose to live here, that is fine, it is their loss..
For the most part, no. However if it comes down to something extreme such as the Federal Government acquiring too much debt and trying to pass it off onto individual states then I would support states succeeding and forming a new Constitutional Republic. Which is what we are supposed to be in the first place.
It is a pain is it not? Here is the ultimate environ for the entrepreneur. Protected from any attack by the possessive state. And what do they do...stay in CA and send heavy progressives to mine Nevada.
Sorry Gunlover...Nevada has always been the proof the entrepreneur will not run for money alone...
I live in CA and most businesses do not stay here. Sure while some of the big industries such as Silicone Valley, Hollywood, Agriculture etc....are going to stay here, the majority of businesses leave California within an average of 2-3 years after starting up. This is due to the high taxation, expensive fines, asinine regulations, and an all-powerful Nanny State that dominates our lives at every turn. It's not just businesses they chase away, it's regular people too.
I know a lot of liberals like to look at California as "proof" that liberal politics create a strong economy, but that's not the case at all. While we no doubt have the largest economy, that doesn't mean we have the best. Large does not equal great or even good. It's about effecinecy, and when it comes to this California is dead last. Aside from the problems I mentioned in the first paragraph, we also have a very high cost of living, and while it is true that we do get paid higher wages on average, it still only barely evens out (in my case anyway). I could be enjoying a much higher standard of living in a different state, even if I would take a cut in pay I know I could actually afford a decent house (most people in CA who own homes just had them passed down through family, buying on your own is out of the question) with a good sized yard and would be able to save more money to spend on things I want (like more guns, something that the Nanny State hates here). Goods and services are cheaper outside of CA. One day when I get married and have a family, I know I would be able to provide them with a better quality of life elsewhere then here. Lower taxes also mean I actually end up having more money in the end.
I am considering moving back to Oregon where I'm originally from but I suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder, so I might look at a sunnier area of the state. Nevada and Arizona are also on my list, I know it get's crazy hot in the summer but at least it's sunny and has plenty of personal freedoms and more economic opportunities. Only downside is I have no family in those two states, but my goal is to start my own business and Nevada and Arizona are both very attractive when it comes to that. Here in CA I would have to pay all those ridiculous fines and taxes, and when I looked at purchasing a complex the Nanny State told me I would have to wait 4-5 years just to get started WITH heavy taxes and fines! In Arizona I was told that I could start within 4-6 months and have plenty of tax credits. That's a very attractive offer. It's like CA is saying "we hate businesses, either join our socialism or leave" where as Arizona is saying "hey we love businesses and jobs, come here, we'll help you get started".
The only things keeping me here are my family and the great weather/scenery. Beyond that I have ran out of reasons. I dare any liberal to come here, you will be a conservative in no time because you'll see a first hand account of how liberalism has managed to bankrupt the largest economy in the country and one of the top 10 largest economies in the world. The Nanny State seriously sucks and it treads on you constantly here, people can only take so much.
The contract of course is the Constitution. I will agree however that the secession requirement is the approval of the Congress. The signature of the President does not appear to be required. In a normal contract it would be all the signers but this contract has a specific term for what it takes to get in. Lacking other information that would be the same requirement to get out. So the state and Congress must agree.
This silliness about self determination has no basis. Four guys on a corner cannot secede because they don't like the town they are in.
Most of the states have no basis for claiming sovereignty as they never had any. They were manufactured from a piece of the federal entity.
In order to became a state the Congress has to approve it AND be signed by the president.
So, it stands to reason that the president would ALSO have to sign for a state to secede.
Like you said ALL parties of the contract have to sign it.
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