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Old 04-08-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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"Due" has nothing to do with it; what matters is whether or not the money is actually there. There is a thorny problem in any kind of entitlement reform regarding who to (potentially or without a doubt) screw over. A lot of the current suggestions are to do it by age, with older individuals being sheltered from future alterations, but as we can see, that is already deeply unpopular with younger people.

It's a mistake to think of money as "paying in" to anything, as though it's a modified bank account or an investment fund. Think more along the lines of a tax - payments finance current expenditures.


It is classified as a tax or it would not be constitutional.

It is a taxed forced upon the employed, through FICA. Those self employed can opt out.

It is an agreement your employer has with the government so he can be in business and make a profit.

 
Old 04-08-2014, 07:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The one act that determined you would be a slave for the state.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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The Tea Party outfit in the House the Republican Study Committee has come out with their own budget that would put seniors on Medicare vouchers and essentially under the Affordable Care Act with shopping on exchanges starting in 2019. Previously the RSC went along with Ryan and vouchers wouldnt start until 2024 leaving the Tea Party base unscathed. Now they are saying apparently we are tired of being hypocrites and are actually willing to sacrafice with others...oh wait this doesnt have a chance of passing. The Tea Parties favorite program is safe.

House conservatives don’t think Paul Ryan’s plan is austere enough | The Raw Story
After reading your headline, "Tea Party Says If Your Under 60 Pay More For Your Medicare..We (over 60) Still Ride Free", which is a lie. I didn't bother to read anymore because I knew it would be nothing more then more lies.

Hint, Medicare is an Insurance plan that people PAY for.

Thread fail, BIG TIME.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 07:57 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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Do you even understand how ridiculous you sound anymore?
The answer to that question would be no.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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After reading your headline, "Tea Party Says If Your Under 60 Pay More For Your Medicare..We (over 60) Still Ride Free", which is a lie. I didn't bother to read anymore because I knew it would be nothing more then more lies.

Hint, Medicare is an Insurance plan that people PAY for.

Thread fail, BIG TIME.
Its not a thread fail. The Tea Party RSC is actually saying we are willing to move the date up 5 years to get rid of Medicare as we know it. That would impact some of the older Tea Partiers or younger depending on how you look at it. Instead of throwing everyone under the bus thats under 54 the Tea Party now says lets throw everyone under the bus thats under 59. They are still hypocrites just nots as much as before. By the way you would still have Medicare you would just get a voucher and you would probably be means tested. You could still say you paid for it because you now have a "free voucher".
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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The Tea Party base is young women and men starting and supporting families
in reality, the tea party base is disproportionately old, white, male, religious, and living in the south.


In U.S., Negative Views of the Tea Party Rise to New High
The Tea Party and Religion | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
2013 American Values Survey: In Search of Libertarians in America
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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So what's wasting more money? The ACA or medicare?

Answer: They both are wasting a lot of money.
the difference is Medicare has been driving up the deficit by trillions. The average Medicare recipient pays about 30% of the cost of their care. That's about $250 - $300 billion PER YEAR that's leaving the general fund, and adding to the deficit.

in contrast, the ACA is projected to add to the deficit by about $109 billion over 10 years.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...471-hr6079.pdf

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Old 04-08-2014, 08:39 AM
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young vs old... Preposterous BS.... politics would never sink this low would it?. We're all in this together but this phoney division crap is for fools. OP's agenda is rank as a used diaper. Unfortunately seems people love that smell.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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We're all in this together but this phoney division crap is for fools. OP's agenda is rank as a used diaper.
how is the OP the problem? you're just shooting the messenger...


it appears to me that the O.P. is simply pointing out how one group (the tea party) is inciting a generational war by threatening to create divisions in medicare.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 09:44 AM
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how is the OP the problem? you're just shooting the messenger...


it appears to me that the O.P. is simply pointing out how one group (the tea party) is inciting a generational war by threatening to create divisions in medicare.
the op sound like a broken record... the boy who cried wolf.... thats the op's prob. ..
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