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Old 03-17-2014, 05:29 AM
 
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I have listened to this BS about the rich are job creators, the Ayn Rand BS about the wealthy are the engines of the economy. That is total BS. Why are we in the situation we are in right now? Because the corporations have one by one sent the jobs over seas. As these mount up less and less of the real job creators are being laid off. They can buy less and less of the things that make an economy work. Even the most wealthy among us who maybe have several homes, and several cars could not make the economy of one small town work very well with what they spend. Someone who makes 15 million a year does not spend what that same money would produce if it were divided among people working at say 50k a year. That is 300 familys that would make 50k a year vs one family that makes 15 million a year. Does that person spend the same on food, cloths and other staples that make and economy run? Hell no. So to the next piece of the puzzle, does as the looney right says they invest and create jobs? No not really, they invest in stocks, real estate around the world where their money will grow and return the most. Many invest in emerging markets around the world where they get the most for their investment. Many of these very company's make more money for their investors by cutting the work force, there by cutting the amount of money that gets pumped back into the system and creating a downward spiral of cutting jobs, to make more, people spend less and they have to cut more. If only a few did this we would not feel it, but almost all major manufactures do this and where there is no one left to buy the crap they produce where will these people go to find buyers for their crap? No they are not job creators, there is no one job creator. Its like saying a plant makes my tomato, maybe but without the water, soil of good quality that plant withers and dies. Corporations can not exist in a vacuum. This is what the idiots on the right have lied to the tea baggers about. Without a strong labor force, paid fair living wages you have taken out soil and water from the plants. They may be able to send feeder roots to other places to help get by for a while but its like burning your furniture to heat your home. When its gone you can then burn your walls, but how long can you cannibalize before your dead yourself?
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:33 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Have you ever been employed / hired by a poor person?
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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How many people work for you?
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:35 AM
 
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Have you ever been employed / hired by a poor person?
A answer you will never get....A valid question, that has been asked many times....yet no answer...
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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I have listened to this BS about the rich are job creators, the Ayn Rand BS about the wealthy are the engines of the economy. That is total BS. Why are we in the situation we are in right now? Because the corporations have one by one sent the jobs over seas. As these mount up less and less of the real job creators are being laid off. They can buy less and less of the things that make an economy work. Even the most wealthy among us who maybe have several homes, and several cars could not make the economy of one small town work very well with what they spend. Someone who makes 15 million a year does not spend what that same money would produce if it were divided among people working at say 50k a year. That is 300 familys that would make 50k a year vs one family that makes 15 million a year. Does that person spend the same on food, cloths and other staples that make and economy run? Hell no. So to the next piece of the puzzle, does as the looney right says they invest and create jobs? No not really, they invest in stocks, real estate around the world where their money will grow and return the most. Many invest in emerging markets around the world where they get the most for their investment. Many of these very company's make more money for their investors by cutting the work force, there by cutting the amount of money that gets pumped back into the system and creating a downward spiral of cutting jobs, to make more, people spend less and they have to cut more. If only a few did this we would not feel it, but almost all major manufactures do this and where there is no one left to buy the crap they produce where will these people go to find buyers for their crap? No they are not job creators, there is no one job creator. Its like saying a plant makes my tomato, maybe but without the water, soil of good quality that plant withers and dies. Corporations can not exist in a vacuum. This is what the idiots on the right have lied to the tea baggers about. Without a strong labor force, paid fair living wages you have taken out soil and water from the plants. They may be able to send feeder roots to other places to help get by for a while but its like burning your furniture to heat your home. When its gone you can then burn your walls, but how long can you cannibalize before your dead yourself?
Well, I tried to read this....well...just try for yourself....it hurts....burns your eyes...
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:39 AM
 
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I agree with the OP.. That homeless person I seen living in the street yesterday obviously creates far more jobs than Warren Buffet.. Thats why he's so poor. He gave it all to his employees..

What a fabulous guy he is... cough...
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:44 AM
 
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You want to blame someone for all the middle class jobs going to lower wage countries.......blame your wonderful government. NAFTA wasnt passed by some middle class factory worker. Ross Perot warned us....."There,s gonna be a great big suckin sound" Remember that?
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:22 AM
 
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I think the problem with most Americans' mindset is that they believe the wealthy are actually concerned about their interest. A vast majority are not. They're only concerned with their own bank account. Not unlike most other Americans regardless of their income level.



People need to start turning to the people who are truly concerned about other's well being and who have the business saavy to actually compete in the market.


It is going to take innovative and caring entrepreneurs at this point to right the Economy. People who do not put profit over people.



The CEO of CostCo is a great example.
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:36 AM
 
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You want to blame someone for all the middle class jobs going to lower wage countries.......blame your wonderful government. NAFTA wasnt passed by some middle class factory worker. Ross Perot warned us....."There,s gonna be a great big suckin sound" Remember that?
NAFTA, brought to you by a Democratic president. If they had listened to Ross Perot, they would have made sure other countries had wage parity to be involved in the trade agreements and kept it as a North American trade agreement instead of pivoting to China. I would far rather some of those jobs going to Mexico (with wage parity) than getting cheap crap from China. At least our neighbors would be better off.
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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I think the problem with most Americans' mindset is that they believe the wealthy are actually concerned about their interest. A vast majority are not. They're only concerned with their own bank account. Not unlike most other Americans regardless of their income level.



People need to start turning to the people who are truly concerned about other's well being and who have the business saavy to actually compete in the market.


It is going to take innovative and caring entrepreneurs at this point to right the Economy. People who do not put profit over people.



The CEO of CostCo is a great example.

If its not about making a profit/earnings then why bother being in business ? Why invest so much time, money, and 24/7 stress if there is little reward ? People that own a business are always concerned about their profits since that is there income, they have a lot to lose rather then someone with a "job" or "career".

I have worked with people aka co-workers that put profit over their co-workers. When it comes down to it , its every man for themselves and everyone is looking to make as much as they can. If your not so concerned about your income level , then if someone offered you 20k or 80k a year for the same job which would you take?
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