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Old 03-18-2014, 07:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez;

Objectively, both the idea of a God and the idea that the human condition came from space dust are ridiculous. But, out of the two, God fits better in the "where did it come from, what does it mean" scenario.

If I'm wrong, is it really going to make any difference?

Again, how can you justify this position?

If you can readily believe that an omnipotent, perfect BEING sprang from nowhere (or, always existed) and will always exist, even after the death of the universe (which will happen)...... how is that even REMOTELY more plausible or easier to swallow than the "space dust" scenario?

This being also has human emotions and desires, such as pride, anger and happiness. Yet you're ready to believe that sprang from nowhere as well?



No, in the contest between "which scenario is least odd and more plausible" I'll take the space dust scenario.
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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Again, how can you justify this position?

If you can readily believe that an omnipotent, perfect BEING sprang from nowhere (or, always existed) and will always exist, even after the death of the universe (which will happen)...... how is that even REMOTELY more plausible or easier to swallow than the "space dust" scenario?

This being also has human emotions and desires, such as pride, anger and happiness. Yet you're ready to believe that sprang from nowhere as well?



No, in the contest between "which scenario is least odd and more plausible" I'll take the space dust scenario.
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Objectively, both the idea of a God and the idea that the human condition came from space dust are ridiculous. But IMHO, out of the two, God fits better in the "where did it come from, what does it mean" scenario.
That being said, I can easily justify that position, which is, in my opinion, both God and emotions coming from space dust being heated right are both crazy propositions.

If the idea that you will have a strong emotional reaction in a movie that you no isn't real due to inorganic space dust being thrown in a nuclear oven, that's your prerogative.

Does the idea that God added some "magic fairy dust" to the mix sound bizarre? Of course. I accept the FACT that it sounds crazy. The thing is, I just can't stop believing it's true. It's engrained in me. And the fact that space dust has me believing to my core in a God, that makes me believe that much more, since, logically, space dust shouldn't really do that.
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:32 AM
 
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I should have added:



That being said, I can easily justify that position, which is, in my opinion, both God and emotions coming from space dust being heated right are both crazy propositions.

If the idea that you will have a strong emotional reaction in a movie that you no isn't real due to inorganic space dust being thrown in a nuclear oven, that's your prerogative.

Does the idea that God added some "magic fairy dust" to the mix sound bizarre? Of course. I accept the FACT that it sounds crazy. The thing is, I just can't stop believing it's true. It's engrained in me. And the fact that space dust has me believing to my core in a God, that makes me believe that much more, since, logically, space dust shouldn't really do that.


The only part of your post that matters is above. Only it's not engrained from the cosmos, it's engrained from your society and culture.

After all, thousands of years and generations of humans felt just as strongly about THEIR notion of what is or was the God(s). It was engrained in them as well.
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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The Old Testament basically described the "Big Bang" well before science discovered it.
Where?

The ancient Hebrews thought their entire universe was a flat earth resting on foundations over water, with a solid dome over it with windows to Heaven.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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Evolution is not a scientific theory.
And Creationism is? There is no proof of a god, yet plenty of proof of evolution.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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LOL!!! Hilarious! What fools!
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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If by "creationism" you mean "a literal interpretation of Genesis," it doesn't need another shot. Science disproved that idea long time ago.
Science has not disproven creation. It can be neither proven nor disproven scientificaly.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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Pure speculation. Nothing more. They are making guesses that they cannot prove.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:42 AM
 
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And Creationism is? There is no proof of a god, yet plenty of proof of evolution.
For example? Give me a "proof".
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:45 AM
 
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The Old Testament basically described the "Big Bang" well before science discovered it.

And how presumptuous of us to assume a "day" in this immense universe is only 24 hours (an earth day).
"Let their be light" does sound like a big bang to me.

BTW, how would you measure time after the big bang, how would a cosmic day be calculated?
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