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Old 03-19-2014, 04:17 AM
 
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Al Franken became Senator by a few hundred questionable votes.

He was the 60th vote needed to get Obamacare approved.
Wrong. They weren't questionable either. They were all confirmed to be real. The fraudulent votes were the ones voting for his Republican opponent.

It's the ACA and guess what it was Republicancare with most of the horrid crap Republicans wanted still in it removed.

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"Nationwide, Americans are slated to receive some $500 million in rebates.

“Consumers’ premium dollars shouldn’t be spent on marketing or huge bonuses for executives—they should go toward paying for actual health care,” said Sen. Franken. “Making sure we keep the cost of health care in check has been among my top priorities since I came to the Senate, so I’m glad that, because of my provision, families in Minnesota and across the country will be able to put some money back into their pockets in the form of rebate checks.”

The new report, issued by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, also shows that because of Sen. Franken’s provision and other programs in 2010’s health reform law, consumers have saved $3.4 billion total on their premiums.

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Old 03-19-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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If they really wanted to crack down on voting fraud, they would eliminate mail in absentee ballots. Or all mail in ballots, PERIOD.

10 people are not many, but enough to set an example, if the media will run with it.
My father is a 92 year old WW2 vet. If he can`t mail his ballot in, he can`t vote.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:04 AM
 
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The "study" in the first link only collected bona fide cases where voter fraud was charged. As I noted above, it is almost never charged because it isn't adequately investigated. And that is by design thanks to politicians who control the purse strings and have no interest in identifying and prosecuting voter fraud.
Five years by the Bush DOJ and several hundred million dollars as well as numerous other investigations dating back decades conducted by the Republican party that also cost hundreds of millions of dollars that turned nada zilch wasn't properly investigated according to you?

Ah these cases you claim weren't properly investigated you had federal agents look in people's windows and the reason the people got cleared was because they didn't commit a crime and a frigging Republican poll worker thought the voter registration was a fake because it was a Hispanic sounding name on it.

Then you had Republicans screaming that people were putting fake names down in Arizona like Duran Duran on their voter registration when Duran Duran was in the Arizona phonebook. It's called a legal name change. There are dozens of people named Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck in the United States. A number of hardcore Disney changed their names or you had people who were born in those families that got those names.

Dozens if not hundreds of people in the US can have the same exact name.

It's not evidence of a mass scale crime. It's just dumb assery in people naming their kids.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:23 AM
 
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Ahhh, I see we have a new ofa intern.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I am quite certain that even if such a study existed, Democrats would trot out the usual astroturf tactics to discredit it along with personal smears of whoever did the study. Then they would still oppose measures to protect the integrity of the vote. Again, for obvious reasons. Plus they have a track record on this issue that shows they are wholly uninterested in protecting legitimate voters from disenfranchisement. It all started with Al Gore trying to throw out military votes in 2000.
It started when republicans realized they couldn't win a national election, voter fraud has been around for decades but suddenly in the last 8 years it suddenly became issue? Glad to see the elections board weeding out the few cases of fraud but a few hundredths of percent will not sway an election on the national level.
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:04 AM
 
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Gotta love the lefties on here....


What % of voters....

oh no....just a few.....yea, thats fraud...

Simple mistakes....

To funny....I though it was never supposed to happen....
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:18 AM
 
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Lmao look at all the butt hurt liberals . Fraud is fraud no matter what party it is , the point is that not even 1 case should exist. It is illegal. The liberal mind set is that since it's only such a small number that it is okay ? Just shows the lack of intelligence.

Republicans have proposed on working to fix and tighten up voting but democrats are crying like the little babies they are saying it's restricting voting for people. Lol
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Lmao look at all the butt hurt liberals . Fraud is fraud no matter what party it is , the point is that not even 1 case should exist. It is illegal. The liberal mind set is that since it's only such a small number that it is okay ? Just shows the lack of intelligence.

Republicans have proposed on working to fix and tighten up voting but democrats are crying like the little babies they are saying it's restricting voting for people. Lol
Fraud is already being addressed, any intelligent person can see that there are ulterior motives for the sudden interest in voter fraud that is statistically close to non-existent. Fraud is the responsibility of the BOE's but suddenly we need to design a new system now why would that be
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Florida (which has voter id laws) sank millions of dollars into investigating voter fraud, and did not find a significant number of cases. Most of the ones which were discovered were human error, not fraud.
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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Gotta love the lefties on here....


What % of voters....

oh no....just a few.....yea, thats fraud...

Simple mistakes....

To funny....I though it was never supposed to happen....
Yeah the voter id laws prevented far more legit votes from occuring then the worst case scenario of fraudlent votes.

FYI if an election was to be stolen it wouldn't be prevented by voter id laws. It's the people counting the votes that steal the election. Or the machines for that matter. Changing those Diebold machine results was found to be quite easy and it has been demonstrated on how it ca be done in which there was no trace of the altering of the votes.
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