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I asked that no one make any snyd remarks, lets discuss this maturly and like adults....but I guess that was futile....? Please if you can't discuss a thread, then move on, I'm not claiming to be right or to know everything, and I'm open to constructive comments....
Constructive comment: 1) read beyond the headline before you post a link.
well, he has certainly been proving it, even before he became President he blew off the CEO of some gas company making the statement, "We're doing it our way". When the man wanted to discuss a way we could be free of foriegn oil. Now to me, that is a huge red flag.
He makes comments that lean towards taking freedom away from Americans.
No Obama didn't come out and state what this article says he said, but he did....
He is taking more and more freedoms away...the government wants us dependent upon them....
Not only is this old, but the Forbes post is a lie. President Obama didn't say anything approaching "You don't deserve to be free".
Your post is a lie.
It is not a "lie", it is a posting of an opinion piece from Forbes, in which the author drew that conclusion...that in his opinion, through action, Obama made the unspoken statement that Americans had not been able to make freer capitalism and less statism work. It would be a lie if in fact someone stated that Obama had said that, when of course he had not.
We can disagree with the author, but to call it a "lie" seems a bit of a kneejerk reaction.
sigh, I never said it was a bush vs obama thing...I said, I thought Bush was bad!
I was not directing the "it isn't Obama" thing at you, but the people coming behind you to try and take an Objectivist rant about the last 100 years and reduce it to Obama vs Bush, as if (paraphrasing the article) Cornwallis surrendered his sword to Clinton, Dubyah was the 1st President since the Constitution's ratification, and Obama is the 2nd President ever.
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and yes, your right, but lets remain objective here in our discussion, no one is saying it's one person. I'm going to be 66 years old and I've been seeing this all my life....
they have been chipping away at our freedoms for many many years, we used to call it, opening a can of worms, until you have completely aborded the laws, to the point of changing them to benefit your own purpose...
Objective is part of my screen name. Again, not directed at you, but at the people who want to boil this down to a Bush vs Obama thing. Neither of the two, nor any of their predecessors was a fan of laissez faire capitalism, and no matter what they say, that form of economics has not been in charge of our economy since the 19th Century (and even then capitalism's power was brief). Obama is just more brazen and openly antagonistic about his anti-capitalism. All politicians are anti-capitalism because free market capitalism is power to the people that politicians cannot control. Yeah, no politician likes the people having power of any kind. Obama is just more proud and outspoken about it.
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WHAT, you mean to tell me, you've got something against Unicorns? OMG?
Nope, I just know that we've spent 100 years trying to use unicorns to be energy independent, but that only works on bumper stickers and it's time to try something new!
I asked that no one make any snyd remarks, lets discuss this maturly and like adults....but I guess that was futile....? Please if you can't discuss a thread, then move on, I'm not claiming to be right or to know everything, and I'm open to constructive comments....
The problem is that you built the thread on a lie.
You can't turn around now and ask for constructive comments. You should've started the thread with a constructive criticism instead.
and again, the only "lie" Obama has told is that we've tried the capitalism approach at different periods, like the 1920s, 1980s, etc. We haven't done any such thing, but he's not the only one who both believes it and says it all the freaking time.
Governments, anywhere, everywhere, any time, all the time...hate free market capitalism because it gives their greatest enemy more power. It isn't really hard to figure out.
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