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Centralized control versus local control like always. How days it seem progressive favor more and more laws then more after they fail to change human behaviour. Pass a law and move on to next social problem seeing it has fixed. They are conning themselves and creating nothing but more conflict most times.
“In the tragic vision, individual sufferings and social evils are inherent in the innate deficiencies of all human beings, whether these deficiencies are in knowledge, wisdom, morality, or courage. Moreover, the available resources are always inadequate to fulfill all the desires of all the people. Thus there are no “solutions” in the tragic vision, but only trade-offs that still leave many unfulfilled and much unhappiness in the world.” — P. 113
“In their haste to be wiser and nobler than others, the anointed have misconceived two basic issues. They seem to assume (1) that they have more knowledge than the average member of the benighted and (2) that this is the relevant comparison. The real comparison, however, is not between the knowledge possessed by the average member of the educated elite versus the average member of the general public, but rather the total direct knowledge brought to bear though social processes (the competition of the marketplace, social sorting, etc.), involving millions of people, versus the secondhand knowledge of generalities possessed by a smaller elite group.” — P. 114
“For the anointed, traditions are likely to be seen as the dead hand of the past, relics of a less enlightened age, and not as the distilled experience of millions who faced similar human vicissitudes before.” — P. 118
Liberals are the anointed ones, conservatives share the tragic vision.
This post is kind of the point, conservatives are very ideological in their political beliefs, and they project that ideology unto Democrats who really as a political party is not ideological.
What Sowell wrote my be fine for a philosophy class, but it is utter meaningless to the real world where nations are confronted with societal problems.
In the face of those societal problems and issues that confront Americans, Sowell's position seems to be to do nothing since there will be great suffering no matter what is done.
This view doesn't jibe with American history where government and individuals have taken action on a wide range of issues and things have gotten objectively better for people in this nation because of that action.
And taking action to help people doesn't mean a person thinks they are wiser and more noble and it doesn't mean that a person believes life can be made perfect, this is an absurd notion that sounds like a back end justification for the fatalistic view that Sowell is advancing.
Again Democrats and it used to be Republicans saw problems and thought that government had a role in those problems that society itself helped create.
Now the conservative party is enamored with irrational ideological platitudes that don't mean anything in the face of real problems and are actually against the American tradition of governance.
Here is the conservative in the Thomas Sowell mode in the face of massive starvation, well there isn't enough to go around and we are all deficient as people and there are no solutions to this starvation problem.
Here is the conservative in the Thomas Sowell mode in the face of an uneducated populace, well there isn't enough to go around and we are all deficient as people and there are no solution to this education problem.
Thomas Sowell written words are extremely radical and it really calls into question why have a nation at all? What is the point?
We are all deficient, there isn't enough to go around, and there are no solutions, etc.
That anyone would espouse that is a governing philosophy is amazing to me.
That most Americans don't know that this is how radical conservatives have become is a tragedy.
This view doesn't jibe with American history where government and individuals have taken action on a wide range of issues and things have gotten objectively better for people in this nation because of that action.
Things have gotten objectively worse for the American people due to the Great Society Programs. Liberal education schemes have left our nation lagging behind much of the rest of the world. Whole inner cities have been destroyed by liberal programs. American history has shown government programs often do more harm than good.
Our prisons and welfare rolls are filled with bastards yet liberals keep subsidizing the birthing of bastards.
From slavery, to the Great Depression to Jim Crow to the internment of Japanese-Americans our society's greatest evils have been manufactured by government.
Things have gotten objectively worse for the American people due to the Great Society Programs. Liberal education schemes have left our nation lagging behind much of the rest of the world. Whole inner cities have been destroyed by liberal programs. American history has shown government programs often do more harm than good.
Nonsense. This is your ideological beliefs speaking not actual measures of human well being. None of things you wrote have any basis in reality. Social Security and Medicare lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty, this is a fact. That is just one example.
This is why I write that conservatives don't care about public policy outcomes, being against "government" is an end unto itself to strive for. This is an incredibly simplistic and ignorant way to see the world and false.
It is amazing how radical and myopic conservatism is. Government always bad. Government programs always fail.
Both of those notions are insane, not because government is perfect but because it so narrow and false.
Nonsense. This is your ideological beliefs speaking not actual measures of human well being. None of things you wrote have any basis in reality. Social Security and Medicare lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty, this is a fact. That is just one example.
This is why I write that conservatives don't care about public policy outcomes, being against "government" is an end unto itself to strive for. This is an incredibly simplistic and ignorant way to see the world and false.
It is amazing how radical and myopic conservatism is. Government always bad. Government programs always fail.
Both of those notions are insane, not because government is perfect but because it so narrow and false.
Smh
Stealing from future generations in order lift people out of poverty for a vote is the definition of myopic.
Have you been to Chicago? or Newark? or Baltimore? or Detroit? or other cities that are 3rd world slums because of the failure of leftist polices?
Then again ignore all failures, over promote the successes, hide the failures within those "successes", and call all who stand against you "lairs" "racist" "bigots" "uneducated" and other personal attacks.
Nonsense. This is your ideological beliefs speaking not actual measures of human well being. None of things you wrote have any basis in reality. Social Security and Medicare lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty, this is a fact. That is just one example.
This is why I write that conservatives don't care about public policy outcomes, being against "government" is an end unto itself to strive for. This is an incredibly simplistic and ignorant way to see the world and false.
Smh
Great Society programs are a dismal failure that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives. Liberals never go back and analyze if their programs actually worked before going on to their next grandiose idea. It took conservatives to ratchet back some of the Great Society programs. It is liberals that do not care about outcomes of their programs.
1. Tell people what they need to hear and you help them.
2. Tell people what they want to hear and you help yourself.
#1 is what Conservatives do and #2 is what Progressives do.
This is such bull and you know it. Like how the Conservatives scared people in 2004 into believing we will make the world safer by sending troops into Iraq and then how in a time of war we should re-elect Bush. That was telling the people what they "needed to hear"??? Really?
Or Bush's speech on speeding up sub-prime mortgages to encourage low income people to own their own homes. "That was telling people what they needed to hear "???? To help the people? Really????
Romney promising that we can just start a trade war with the Chinese to get American exports up if you elected him in 2012 that was telling the people what they "needed to hear"? Bull
NEITHER Conservstive politicians NOR Liberal progressives tell people what they "need " to hear. They are ALL guilty of the political game!
One guy does tell people what they need to hear. He is politically neutral. You can look him up. His name is David Walker and he is the former Comptroller General of the Government Accountability Office (GAO)....used to be called the General Accounting Office. He is spot on when it comes to the state of affairs in the US . He sees flaws in both the so-called Progressives and Conservstives. Lately he leans slightly closer to Conservatives because of flaws in ACA, but he has no party loyalties at all.
Listen carefully to this speech. This is spot on as far as I'm concerned and this is not representative of any of our political party options, not the Conservatives and not Liberals.
"Progressivism" today is just another name for modern liberalism.
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn
And the so-called "Progressives" of today, have little or nothing to do with the issues of a century ago.
Modern "Progressivism" is Marxist. It bears little in common with either the Classical Liberalism of the early and mid 20th century, or to Populism and Progressive issues of an earlier era.
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