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#2, We dont know if shifting more money will work, we have never tried it.And no one is talking about raising taxes, so this is money that is going to be taken regardless of the idea. .
Since no one has found a real money tree that actually grows money, where do you think that money is going to come from if not by raising taxes?
We do know that shifting money via the "War on Poverty" hasn't worked or we wouldn't be having this discussion now.
really? You have heard non white Republicans call black people lazy ?
ROFL. I live in a community that has more "minorities" than it does white people. You should sit and listen to some of the conversations I get to be involved in. Black people aren't inherently lazy, as we all know, and the lazy ones are called out on their behavior by their own friends and family on a regular basis. Yeah, I've heard black people call other black people lazy - as well as calling them far worse - when the situation called for it.
Your comment shows more racism than most white Republicans exhibit in their lifetimes.
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Since no one has found a real money tree that actually grows money, where do you think that money is going to come from if not by raising taxes?
We do know that shifting money via the "War on Poverty" hasn't worked or we wouldn't be having this discussion now.
When the War on Poverty started, the poverty rate was 22%, not its just under 14%.
Your argument is either based on misguided information( that the number had not moved) or you honestly believe that if the number isnt at 0%, then we shouldnt try at all.
And you do realize we spend a half of trillion dollars on Defense right, are you saying we cant take a little from there ?
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ROFL. I live in a community that has more "minorities" than it does white people. You should sit and listen to some of the conversations I get to be involved in. Black people aren't inherently lazy, as we all know, and the lazy ones are called out on their behavior by their own friends and family on a regular basis. Yeah, I've heard black people call other black people lazy - as well as calling them far worse - when the situation called for it.
Your comment shows more racism than most white Republicans exhibit in their lifetimes.
How does my comment show any racism what so ever ?
by the way, that comment should read "never heard white Republicans" should have been in my comment, but please explain how my comment shows racism in any way.
Since no one has found a real money tree that actually grows money, where do you think that money is going to come from if not by raising taxes?
We do know that shifting money via the "War on Poverty" hasn't worked or we wouldn't be having this discussion now.
We throw just enough money at the problem to keep people for dying in the streets and staging a revolution. It's never been about lifting people up en-mass.
We've half-assed the war on poverty while at the same time decimating communities with the war on drugs. What do you think think the outcome is going to be?
#1 helps because African American men are disproportionately arrested, convicted and sentenced for drug crimes. I think the argument being made is larger, a family with 2 parents in the house hold has better income, more access to education, more supervision.
#2, We dont know if shifting more money will work, we have never tried it.And no one is talking about raising taxes, so this is money that is going to be taken regardless of the idea.
Your argument about disincentives is an opinion, one that hasnt happened since the social welfare programs have existed so i doubt it will start now.
Yeah, because they have a drug problem, let's just legalize it because they can't control it. You people are evil.
Do these same individuals have a problem with Obama's My Brother's Keeper program? Isn't he basically addressing the same issue? What's the "real" problem here?
Didn't read the other respondents, but I will point out that Obama didn't lie and say that "My Brother's Keeper" isn't about race. He flat out said that it is a program geared toward black and Hispanic young men.
Also, he didn't use any codewords to hide that he is focusing on these specific demographics.
Another point to mention is that the problem that Ryan spoke of - men in inner cities not wanting to work, having a "culture" of not working, is not true, as was mentioned by the man in your OP.
The people benefitting from social welfare programs are women and children, not men, unless they are single fathers and there aren't many single fathers in inner cities.
Obama was also very clear in the fact that there exist many obstacles for young black and Hispanic men in the educational system and inequality in employment. He did not say that young men don't want to work and are the cause of the various social ills in our country.
And FWIW, I do think that Paul Ryan put his foot in his mouth and that he should really go back and discuss that comment and tell people that he was wrong to even state the information that he stated because it is not true. Other comments he said were true (you all should read/watch his comments) but that in particular is not and he should adamantly state as such and apologize for it very plainly and clearly so people will stop talking about it.
#1 helps because African American men are disproportionately arrested, convicted and sentenced for drug crimes. I think the argument being made is larger, a family with 2 parents in the house hold has better income, more access to education, more supervision.
#2, We dont know if shifting more money will work, we have never tried it.And no one is talking about raising taxes, so this is money that is going to be taken regardless of the idea.
Your argument about disincentives is an opinion, one that hasnt happened since the social welfare programs have existed so i doubt it will start now.
#1 - OK - so men would be able to sell and do drugs legally - that's part of your solution? Having 2 parents at home on a cultural basis has little to do with legalizing drugs, and men getting prison time for drug crimes. 70% out of wedlock births for us. No reasonable program can address this.
#2 - We are shifting money now. 99 weeks of unemployment?? That's shifting money. It's not working. There are too many regulations and the cost to make products and run a business is too high. If you want people to be productive, you have to lower expenses.
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