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Old 03-21-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
It's good to see the schools did something intelligent for a change. Perhaps these kids will grow up to understand that a gun is just an object, and not have the odd mental phobias that many parents, as well as many of our posters, display. It's good to expose kids to something new and EDUCATE them, rahter than just instill more irrational fear. Far more useful than another "gay agenda" or "DARE" play. Around here, field trips are usually just a play day, with trips to the ski hill or an amusement park.

Appleseed is a great organization. I have participated in one of their shoots-great experience and I learned a lot.
My kids just took a field trip to the local dump to learn about how to recycle. Nothing in the Constitution about recycling.

Yes DARE is a joke as is the entire anti bullying agenda. They have assemblies every week on that nonsense wasting time as all the kids know it's a joke too.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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wasting school resources due to political agendas. I bet these same freaks that are prazing this trip would fricken #@#$ a brick if they took their trip to the columbine memorial (at Columbine Highschool) instead
Why would anyone have any objection to them going to the Columbine Memorial? I would have no problem with that, that is, unless the field trip was used as an opportunity to indoctrinate our children with anti-Constitutional ideologies.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I would agree with this. It's a good thing to teach kids about gun safety, and there's nothing wrong with going to a gun range. But it's too controversial for a public school field trip these days.
Why should it be controversial? If the parents don't want ther kids to go,they don't have to sign the permission slip.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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When I went to school in the 70s, we kept several 22lr in the school stock room, along with 4 shot guns and reloading equipment for the shotguns. We would go to the school forest and shoot 22lr and trap and had a couple of inter school tournaments. We even did a deer drive during school, had hunter safety at school and we brought our guns in on our desks to prepare for the hunt. Today any of that would land you in prison.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Why should it be controversial? If the parents don't want ther kids to go,they don't have to sign the permission slip.
I think one thing is the liability problem. There would have to be extra insurance and I am not sure in this day and age that any insurance comp. would cover anything like this. Its logistically impossible I would think.
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yes sex education is in fact very important since the US has one of the highest rates of unwanted pregnancy of any civilized country. Many reasons for sex education including infectious diseases in our population, the parents can teach gun safety if they want their child to buy a gun, schools is not the place for that.
So, if I am following you correctly, we should teach children sex ed because we have one of the highest unwanted pregnancy rates in the civilized world, and bad things like disease can happen if you don't practice safe sex, right? But, you think a trip to the gun range, which would teach kids that guns are not a toy and teach them how to safely handle them, is a bad idea, even though this country has one of the highest gun fatality rates in the civilized world?

How is that logic consistent?
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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How do you feel about shop class, home-ec, driver's ed and those types of classes? My shop class showed me there are real world applications for geometry and trig which is a big incentive to do well. It is 30 years later and I still use what I learned in that class. My dad taught me how to drive. My basketball coach taught me how to drive correctly.
I have no problems with any of those classes. Do they still teach home economics? What's on the syllabus; how to apply for a job?

I have no problem with the field trip, either.

I do find it interesting that the OP sees politics in the story.
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I have no problems with any of those classes. Do they still teach home economics? What's on the syllabus; how to apply for a job?

I have no problem with the field trip, either.

I do find it interesting that the OP sees politics in the story.
Guns are both political and controversial..... especially when they are mixed with kids.
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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It's not appropriate to take time out of academic subjects for a field trip to a gun range-- or anything else non-academic for that matter.
Just for clarification, do you consider wood, metal, plastics, or auto shop to be academic?
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Guns are both political and controversial..... especially when they are mixed with kids.
Why "especially" controversial when children are given instruction in safe firearms handling?

Also, how exactly are firearms political?
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