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Old 03-21-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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If high birth rate was really a benefit, the Central American nations would be in great shape. They're not.
High birth rates are a benefit, but only up to a point.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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High birth rates are a benefit, but only up to a point.
Population increase of the middle class is one thing, but the exploding population of the very impoverished is another.

The problem for the USA, uncontrolled illegal immigration is about very impoverished people coming here to have large numbers of children they couldn't afford back home and certainly can't afford here with the high cost of living. Our population growth is more about making us like Guatemala or Honduras.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:57 PM
 
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Population increase of the middle class is one thing, but the exploding population of the very impoverished is another.

The problem for the USA, uncontrolled illegal immigration is about very impoverished people coming here to have large numbers of children they couldn't afford back home and certainly can't afford here with the high cost of living. Our population growth is more about making us like Guatemala or Honduras.
If you want to deal with illegal immigrants better, then how about you build a border fence throughout our entire border with Mexico and severely punish/penalize employers who hire illegal immigrants?
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZbu7J7UL4

Parts of this video gives you a perspective as to why there population is declining and the side effects of it. Dont past the 9 mintue mark unless you want to be grossed out
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZbu7J7UL4

Parts of this video gives you a perspective as to why there population is declining and the side effects of it. Dont past the 9 mintue mark unless you want to be grossed out
"Their", not "there".

Also, I have already read about how many Japanese men apparently have virtual girlfriends instead of real ones.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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That's not why they're bringing them in -- it's all about cheap labor and cheap votes. Most illegals need Medicaid and food stamps and much more. If they were really paying into Medicare and SS, the retirement age of Americans wouldn't be raised up to what it is -- Americans now can't retire because they need to keep paying taxes to support the newcomers and their sky high birth rates.

If high birth rate was really a benefit, the Central American nations would be in great shape. They're not.
Oh, I'd say it's a very big reason they're letting them come here. Illegals get social security numbers and their employers pay into Medicare and SS, and then they never get it back because they aren't legal citizens. I know a woman who was adopted as an infant from Mexico (must have been an illegal adoption), who walked into a Social Security office and got a number when she was younger. She worked here who entire working life, raised five kids, and now cannot get Social Security or Medicare even though she paid into the system for decades.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:32 PM
 
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Some of the concerns in that article don't make that much sense. It talked about the need for construction workers -- but if the population is declining, they really don't need a whole lot of construction going on.

I'll bet they have a whole lot less welfare and food stamps there, and when people aren't having to pay for schools, day care, they have more money for their old age.

I think it just got so crowded there, tiny apartments in buildings with many stories, the population will drop and with more open space and elbow room in the future, there will be more interest in love and marriage and babies.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:35 PM
 
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Oh, I'd say it's a very big reason they're letting them come here. Illegals get social security numbers and their employers pay into Medicare and SS, and then they never get it back because they aren't legal citizens. I know a woman who was adopted as an infant from Mexico (must have been an illegal adoption), who walked into a Social Security office and got a number when she was younger. She worked here who entire working life, raised five kids, and now cannot get Social Security or Medicare even though she paid into the system for decades.
They'll get just as much or more from SSI --- illegals don't plan on going home and after Obama gives them amnesty, millions will start collecting either SS or SSI -- along with food stamps, Section 8 housing and Medicaid. No real difference if you paid taxes or never did -- the government provides for them.

If the illegals were really a benefit, their own countries would be trying to keep them. Our retirement age wouldn't be going up which it is.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:15 PM
 
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"Their", not "there".

Also, I have already read about how many Japanese men apparently have virtual girlfriends instead of real ones.
mispelling is a symptom of feeling crap. I hate being sick
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:06 PM
 
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Living twenty stories on top of each other isn't enough?
They really do have a crisis on their hands though.



They are projected to decline by 30 million in the next 40 years. That's crazy.

I don't think they can turn it around, either. They can encourage immigration to make up the difference, but the Japanese are so nationalistic that I don't see that happening.
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