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Old 03-25-2014, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The Kochs are evildoers who use their wealth to push hard-line right-wing, anti-environmental policies that redound very much to their own benefit. They’re wealthy heirs, not self-made men, they aren’t identified with innovation (which you can at least argue for Bill Gates), they haven’t made money for other people like Warren Buffett. So, we're supposed to forget about all the bad polices that these people of unearned privilege, who use their money to promote, that are bad for the average person, because they make tax-deductible donations to hospitals.
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:22 PM
 
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Bzzzt...wrong you are again!

If I had my way, we would get rid of PACs completely, and get rid of the campaign donation system completely. We should run elections how other countries do. All election campaigns publicly funded, and limited to about six weeks prior to election day.

Of course, you neo-cons would oppose that because it would be "socialism." Yet it seems to work fine in many other countries.
I would be completely fine with that idea. In fact, I believe I've posted exactly that idea somewhere else on this forum years ago, after reading that England doesn't allow campaigning until 6 weeks before elections. But it will never happen because a whole industry has grown up around campaigning, and powerful people would be out of a job. Think of all those campaign managers and pollsters and advertisers giving up the multi-billion dollar industry. Not going to happen, just as a flat tax will never happen because it would put a lot of accountants and lawyers out of business, not to mention the IRS having to fire thousands of workers.
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Out West
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It's irrelevant, Hitler gave generously to many charities. Can I use that fact to in some manner excuse the things he did.
Godwin's Law, page 2. That didn't take long.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Some philanthropic efforts of the Koch Brothers:


University

$814,000 to the Kansas State University Office of Diversity
University programs and think tanks that try “to understand the nature of human freedom and how that freedom leads to prosperity.”
Research and teaching at Brown, Mount Holyoke, Sarah Lawrence, University of Wisconsin at Madison, Vassar, and some 245 other colleges.
When, the Charles Koch Foundation in 2011 pledged $1.5 million to Florida State University’s economics department, a contract between the foundation and university stipulated that a Koch-appointed advisory committee select professors and conduct annual evaluations.

The Koch foundations’ educational grants, regardless of whether they’re made with conditions, aren’t exactly supporting studies of, say, proletarian emancipation or historical materialism.

They routinely support academic programs or centers that teach theories and principles aligned with the Kochs’ convictions about economics and public policy.


Inside the Koch brothers' campus crusade | Center for Public Integrity
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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When, the Charles Koch Foundation in 2011 pledged $1.5 million to Florida State University’s economics department, a contract between the foundation and university stipulated that a Koch-appointed advisory committee select professors and conduct annual evaluations.

The Koch foundations’ educational grants, regardless of whether they’re made with conditions, aren’t exactly supporting studies of, say, proletarian emancipation or historical materialism.

They routinely support academic programs or centers that teach theories and principles aligned with the Kochs’ convictions about economics and public policy.


Inside the Koch brothers' campus crusade | Center for Public Integrity
Granted I'd rather have them on my side than against me but you described it perfectly. The foxes watching the hen house.
Remember the bru haha in the Wisconsin Guv'nor race? The no bid contracts for utility companies, crony capitalism at its finest.
They're not about the free market.
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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Charles Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society
Instead of welcoming free debate, collectivists engage in character assassination.
Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Charles Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society
Instead of welcoming free debate, collectivists engage in character assassination.
Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."

I got a good laugh out of the highlighted comment, its their right to pour money into local elections even small local elections like Coralville, Iowa.

Love the name, Americans for Prosperity who could not be for a group with that name. The Koch Brothers 501 4C does it better than anyone else with their huge network of donors, democrats don't do nearly as well. The entire system stinks and invites abuse, the amount of money these groups control is bad enough but at the very least they should be required to disclose their donors. Around 1% of the people control 70% of the wealth, they have the disposable income to slant just about any political debate to their favor, not good for our country.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/us...aces.html?_r=0
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:59 AM
 
Location: west mich
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If the bolded were true, we'd hear you liberals bellyaching about George Soros, OFA and all the other folks and organizations busy buying elections for Democrats.
Please direct us to all the threads complaining about Soros that you or other liberals have started. Thanks in advance.
Why should I or any other American complain about Soros? As a pro-democracy advocate he is on the right side of issues. Jeez, let him single-handedly defeat the RW fascists if possible.
Soros money pales in comparison to the Kochs, and their aims are different. The Kochs want to usurp democracy for a corporate fascist government - Soros does not.
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Strategy of the left:Nonetheless, Democrats will stop at nothing to personally destroy the Koch brothers and anyone else who poses a genuine threat to their political agenda. In a coordinated effort to keep Americans’ attention deflected from the healthcare bill, they have totally embraced radical leftist Saul Alinsky’s Rule Number 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”
one might be tempted to conclude that the Koch brothers are among the heaviest hitters in American politics. This, of course, is false. As the website OpenSecrets.org reveals, among the top all-time donors from the years 1989-2014, the Koch brothers come in at — wait for it — number 59. The same website further reveals that 6 of the top 10 political donors are unions, who overwhelmingly favor Democrats with their campaign contributions by margins of 91 precent or greater, compared to what they give Republicans.

Lynching the Koch Brothers: The Dems’ Strategy for 2014 | FrontPage Magazine
Once again the poor maligned Koch brothers. They certainly don't like the fact they have been outed. They preferred to pull strings from the shadows, thus the hated "liberal media" which exposed them.
You should not accuse others what you do or approve of yourself. A little word substitution here: "Republicans will stop at nothing to personally destroy Soros or anybody else who poses a genuine threat to their political agenda" - which in present tense is instituting corporate oligarchy in America. Ya see, the ultimate aim of democratic supporters, no matter how rich, is not the same. Repub sugar daddies are there for the very purpose of weakening democracy in favor of corporate fascism. Can your RW brain fathom the difference?
Now to the title of your link "Lynching the Koch brothers" - well, attempting to supplant the American system of government is treason, so they along with current republicons certainly fit the requirements.

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These things don't fit their model of "rich, greedy, Republicans." That's why you'll never hear them mentioned. The less informed their sycophants are, the better.
So because these are "nice guys" in your book, they deserve to own government and turn it into their corporate oligarchy.
And the OP has totally abandoned her own thread, and got you desperate righties all hyper over the poor maligned republicons? Mission accomplished.
Here is what republicons and their donors, especially the Kochs, really stand for.
Jim Hightower | The mobsters of Wall Street

This is what the Kochs and their ilk want more of - less regulation and more power. What wall street mobsters did in 2008 is the right wing republicon corporate utopia, yet rich democrats just stand in their way?
So you see the party agendas are different. No, dems and progressive do not want the corporate government that you want. So ya don't like their well-to-do donors? Too bad!

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Old 04-10-2014, 10:06 AM
 
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Once again the poor maligned Koch brothers. They certainly don't like the fact they have been outed. They preferred to pull strings from the shadows, thus the hated "liberal media" which exposed them.
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Not only do the Kochs want to spend as much as they want to effect elections but they now believe that they are above criticism. It’s really amazing how quickly these billionaires portray themselves as victims because some people aren't afraid to publicly challenge them.

But it also shows their thin skin. They believe they have a right to engage in character assassination but when one criticizes them, the whine in hurt feelings. I guess when you are a billionaire you surround yourself with a$$-kissers and not used to anyone who contradicting you.
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Old 04-10-2014, 11:40 AM
 
Location: west mich
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Not only do the Kochs want to spend as much as they want to effect elections but they now believe that they are above criticism. It’s really amazing how quickly these billionaires portray themselves as victims because some people aren't afraid to publicly challenge them.

But it also shows their thin skin. They believe they have a right to engage in character assassination but when one criticizes them, the whine in hurt feelings. I guess when you are a billionaire you surround yourself with a$$-kissers and not used to anyone who contradicting you.
Here is, in his own words, your new "persecuted minority". This is a venture capitalist who, as has been pointed out by righties on this forum, "works so much harder" than normal Americans.
You want Koch-style 1% hubris and whining? Here it is.


Rich ******* Tries To Apologize And Makes Things Much Worse - YouTube

This is undoubtedly a Koch ally. Despite the failure of decades of trickle-down, we must shovel more money to the 1% and these "creatives" will drag the "uncreative" commoners along with them. If only we reduce their taxes to zero and start to understand their benevolence, we will have the best of all worlds. They of course will support whichever political candidates promise to play ball, as Adelson did with his recent "interviews".
This is your corporate right-wing Kochs, Adelsons, Romneys, Trumps, and others who prefer not to be named. Two of these "creatives" accrue their wealth from gambling - yeah real "creative" and beneficial.

Richest 1 Percent Hold 46 Percent Of The World's Wealth

Now, these "humanitarians" are being maligned, unappreciated, and "misunderstood" by the riffraff.

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