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same could be said of Texas, California etc from Mexicans.
Texas voted and went to the USA remember?
Americans were pretty dirtbaggery back then as well.
Taiwan should also vote each 1-4 years if they want to go back to china.
as should each state in the USA/the world countries if they want to leave their federal government
and cities/towns should vote as well if they hate their own state then they should be able to leave.
democracy right?
that is what democracy is suppose to be about. non binding states and choosing if you want to stay or not.
if you dont like it leave right?
well yeah they did now we dont like it.
Uh... you've described chaos, not democracy. We are a republic, not a democracy.
If the US didn't annex Hawaii, it would've been made a part of another country's empire. Back in that time period, most parts of that area of world were under the domination of some European power. Hawaii is probably better off that the US was the one that took it over. Japan would've eventually try to claim Hawaii and I doubt the natives would've been treated all that well by them.
the US did it to hawaii way back when... if its illegal for Russia to do it then why was it "LEAGLE" for the the US to do it to Hawaii??
Obama departs for the Netherlands on Sunday evening having already announced multiple rounds of sanctions on Russia, targeting top aides to Putin and, perhaps more importantly, key industries – all in the hope of hitting Russia’s economy after appeals to abide by international law failed.
Obama departs for the Netherlands on Sunday evening having already announced multiple rounds of sanctions on Russia, targeting top aides to Putin and, perhaps more importantly, key industries – all in the hope of hitting Russia’s economy after appeals to abide by international law failed.
The hope is that the nations of the world are growing up after our "adolescent insanity" known as the colonial era. Back then and for most of human history, whatever you could seize by military force was yours period. The 20th century saw a reversal of that trend. Great Britain let Ireland most of its world wide empire go free without a huge fight. France fought to keep most of theirs empire and lost. The USA let Cuba, Japan, Germany, the Philippines all go their own way when we didn't have to. The Soviet Union was the last great empire of military conquest to fall starting in 1988.
It is more than a little concerning that Russia wants to turn back the clock and return to an era of empire building by military conquest. If they have any sense at all, the Ukraine will join the EU and the EU will send in defensive troops as soon as possible. The EU hasn't the balls to help them take Crimea back, but at least they can get the skin in the game. Troops in the Ukraine would be a significant deterrent to discourage Russia from militarily reconquering the entire Soviet empire bit by bit.
I do think this is a European problem and not an USA problem, but I have my doubts about the EU's willingness to stand up to the big Russian bully.
If the US didn't annex Hawaii, it would've been made a part of another country's empire. Back in that time period, most parts of that area of world were under the domination of some European power. Hawaii is probably better off that the US was the one that took it over. Japan would've eventually try to claim Hawaii and I doubt the natives would've been treated all that well by them.
you....... ass u ming...
the US had a presents here already. they had a lease at Pearl. what better way not to pay on a lease. steal the land!!!
[quote=godofthunder9010;34098517 Back then and for most of human history, whatever you could seize by military force was yours period. The 20th century saw a reversal of that trend..[/QUOTE]
good point...
On July 6, 1846, U.S. Secretary of State John C. Calhoun, on behalf of President Tyler, afforded formal recogntion of Hawaiian independence. As a result of the recognition of Hawaiian independence the Hawaiian Kingdom entered into treaties with the major nations of the world and established over ninety legations and consulates in multiple seaports and cities.
Austria-Hungary in 1875
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International Criminal Court (November 28, 2012). On December 10, 2012, the insrument of accession was deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations acceding to the Rome Statute accepting jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands, over Hawaiian territory. Jurisdiction will commence March 4, 2013.
1949 Geneva Convention, IV (November 28, 2012) On January 14, 2013, the instrument of accession was deposited with the Swiss Federal Council, by its Foreign Ministry, whereby the Hawaiian Kingdom is a High Contracting Party. The Fouth Geneva Convention immediately took effect on January 14, 2013 as a result of the prolonged occupation.
1977 Protocol Additional to the Geveva Conventions of 12 August 1949 relating to Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflict (Protocol 1) (December 11, 2013) On December 16, 2013, the instrument of accession was deposited with the Swiss Federal Council, by its Foreign Ministry, whereby the Hawaiian Kingdom is a High Contracting Party. Protocol 1 immediately took effect on December 16, 2013 as a result of the prolonged occupation.
the native hawaiian didn't vote for state hood....
it all started with the over throw with the help the the...... Tyrant US
Once the US got involved.....
Take their land back?? what land are you talking about?? did you pay for the lands you describe that they want to take back? how did you or the US acquire it for them to want to take it back?
Malama Aina.... hawaii a 3rd world country, not a bad idea. as compared to where the US is headed I take a 3rd world country.
Hawaii can do fine with out the US.. heck we could lease out pearl to Russia... or the highest bidder for that matter.
we could even do that offshore banking that all the big whips use to hide their money from the IRS
sounds like you got some racial issues..... Ha'ole= means with out breath
Does it matter in 2014? If it wasn't the US that took Hawaii; I'd lay some BIG money Japan would've 100 years ago and the "natives" would be mad too. For some reason: some of the original Hawaiians LIKE to slam anglo white people but don't dare say jack to people of Japanese family living there even tho it's them who OWN a lot of that state.
japan.... taken hawaii 100 years ago.... you need to do more research.
Hawaii could have called on the us to defend us... they do it all the time. for that matter called the UN.... Nato....
japan..... hmmmm
Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might say that the Japanese were aggressive militarists who wanted to take over the world, or at least the Asia-Pacific part of it. Ask him what the United States did to provoke the Japanese, and he will probably say that the Americans did nothing: we were just minding our own business when the crazy Japanese, completely without justification, mounted a sneak attack on us, catching us totally by surprise in Hawaii on December 7, 1941.
You can’t blame him much. For more than 60 years such beliefs have constituted the generally accepted view among Americans, the one taught in schools and depicted in movies—what “every schoolboy knows.” Unfortunately, this orthodox view is a tissue of misconceptions. Don’t bother to ask the typical American what U.S. economic warfare had to do with provoking the Japanese to mount their attack, because he won’t know. Indeed, he will have no idea what you are talking about.
In the late nineteenth century, Japan’s economy began to grow and to industrialize rapidly. Because Japan has few natural resources, many of the burgeoning industries had to rely on imported raw materials, such as coal, iron ore or steel scrap, tin, copper, bauxite, rubber, and petroleum. Without access to such imports, many of which came from the United States or from European colonies in southeast Asia, Japan’s industrial economy would have ground to a halt. By engaging in international trade, however, the Japanese had built a moderately advanced industrial economy by 1941.
At the same time, they also built a military-industrial complex to support an increasingly powerful army and navy. These armed forces allowed Japan to project its power into various places in the Pacific and east Asia, including Korea and northern China, much as the United States used its growing industrial might to equip armed forces that projected U.S. power into the Caribbean and Latin America, and even as far away as the Philippine Islands.
When Franklin D. Roosevelt became president in 1933, the U.S. government fell under the control of a man who disliked the Japanese and harbored a romantic affection for the Chinese because, some writers have speculated, Roosevelt’s ancestors had made money in the China trade.[1] Roosevelt also disliked the Germans (and of course Adolf Hitler), and he tended to favor the British in his personal relations and in world affairs. He did not pay much attention to foreign policy, however, until his New Deal began to peter out in 1937. Afterward, he relied heavily on foreign policy to fulfill his political ambitions, including his desire for reelection to an unprecedented third term.
japan.... taken hawaii 100 years ago.... you need to do more research.
Hawaii could have called on the us to defend us... they do it all the time. for that matter called the UN.... Nato....
japan..... hmmmm
Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might say that the Japanese were aggressive militarists who wanted to take over the world, or at least the Asia-Pacific part of it. Ask him what the United States did to provoke the Japanese, and he will probably say that the Americans did nothing: we were just minding our own business when the crazy Japanese, completely without justification, mounted a sneak attack on us, catching us totally by surprise in Hawaii on December 7, 1941.
You can’t blame him much. For more than 60 years such beliefs have constituted the generally accepted view among Americans, the one taught in schools and depicted in movies—what “every schoolboy knows.” Unfortunately, this orthodox view is a tissue of misconceptions. Don’t bother to ask the typical American what U.S. economic warfare had to do with provoking the Japanese to mount their attack, because he won’t know. Indeed, he will have no idea what you are talking about.
In the late nineteenth century, Japan’s economy began to grow and to industrialize rapidly. Because Japan has few natural resources, many of the burgeoning industries had to rely on imported raw materials, such as coal, iron ore or steel scrap, tin, copper, bauxite, rubber, and petroleum. Without access to such imports, many of which came from the United States or from European colonies in southeast Asia, Japan’s industrial economy would have ground to a halt. By engaging in international trade, however, the Japanese had built a moderately advanced industrial economy by 1941.
At the same time, they also built a military-industrial complex to support an increasingly powerful army and navy. These armed forces allowed Japan to project its power into various places in the Pacific and east Asia, including Korea and northern China, much as the United States used its growing industrial might to equip armed forces that projected U.S. power into the Caribbean and Latin America, and even as far away as the Philippine Islands.
When Franklin D. Roosevelt became president in 1933, the U.S. government fell under the control of a man who disliked the Japanese and harbored a romantic affection for the Chinese because, some writers have speculated, Roosevelt’s ancestors had made money in the China trade.[1] Roosevelt also disliked the Germans (and of course Adolf Hitler), and he tended to favor the British in his personal relations and in world affairs. He did not pay much attention to foreign policy, however, until his New Deal began to peter out in 1937. Afterward, he relied heavily on foreign policy to fulfill his political ambitions, including his desire for reelection to an unprecedented third term.
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