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Old 03-25-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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Not too long ago, the Greens of Oklahoma City were law-abiding people running an arts-and-crafts chain called Hobby Lobby.

They weren’t disturbing the peace, or denying anyone his or her rights. They were minding their own business — quite successfully and in keeping with their Christian faith.






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Hobby Lobby & the war on religious liberty | New York Post

will be interesting to see how this one turns out.

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Old 03-25-2014, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Not too long ago, the Greens of Oklahoma City were law-abiding people running an arts-and-crafts chain called Hobby Lobby.

They weren’t disturbing the peace, or denying anyone his or her rights. They were minding their own business — quite successfully and in keeping with their Christian faith. The roughly 600 Hobby Lobby stores stock Christian products, close on Sundays and play Christian music.

Then one day Uncle Sam showed up to make an offer the Greens couldn’t refuse — literally.

As part of ObamaCare, federal law demands that the chain cover contraceptives that the Greens consider abortifacients. The family decided it couldn’t comply with the law in good conscience, and its case is now before the Supreme Court.
Federal law does NOT demand that the chain cover contraceptives. The law states that the chain must OFFER insurance that includes coverage for contraceptives.

There is a really easy out for them here: don't offer any insurance and let their employees purchase it via the open market.

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Old 03-25-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Their biggest mistake was to incorporate, if they did not want to follow the law and gain all the benefits that the company now has. They could just franchise the chain and not be involved with the day to day.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Federal law does NOT demand that the chain cover contraceptives. The law states that the chain must OFFER insurance that includes coverage for contraceptives.

There is a really easy out for them here: don't offer any insurance and let their employees purchase it via the open market.
So your solution, is that they must violate Federal law?
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Hobby Lobby always provided contraceptive coverage for the employees - including Plan B and Ella. Either they didn't read their insurer's policy or they ignored it. In light of this, one of their challenges in court will be to demonstrate that the ACA violates deeply held religious beliefs.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If they do not want to follow the law they can, as mentioned, not offer any health insurance to any of their employees or sell off Hobby Lobby to someone that will comply with the legal requirements. I will simply be to not patronize their store while they try and force their religion on their employees and customers.

INHO - when you are in business you are in the Realm of Mammon and you follow Mammon's rules as set forth in Secular Law. Leave your personal beliefs personal.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Their biggest mistake was to incorporate, if they did not want to follow the law and gain all the benefits that the company now has. They could just franchise the chain and not be involved with the day to day.
Amen, when you hide behind government's skirt via incorporating, you abide by all laws governing corps. That is exactly how it should be.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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I thought religious liberty was afforded to the individual. How can an enterpise, composed of many individuals, have religious freedom?
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Federal law does NOT demand that the chain cover contraceptives. The law states that the chain must OFFER insurance that includes coverage for contraceptives.

There is a really easy out for them here: don't offer any insurance and let their employees purchase it via the open market.
Uh, if the law says that it MUST offer contraceptive insurance, how do they have the option to not offer insurance?

Why not leave the decision to offer insurance, and what type, to the employers?

Liberals just want to control and regulate everything.

They are anti-liberty and anti-constitution.
 
Old 03-25-2014, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Are you really stating that a corporation has personhood?
SCOTUS says that they do.

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...on-commission/

We shall see how SCOTUS rules on this one:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/13-354
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