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Old 03-25-2014, 02:27 PM
 
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What are you trying to do here?
I'm trying to figure out the point of your post. Apparently it's a complaint about the media coverage of this story but I don't understand why this is a problem. I don't understand why you call it propaganda.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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I'm trying to figure out the point of your post. Apparently it's a complaint about the media coverage of this story but I don't understand why this is a problem. I don't understand why you call it propaganda.
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Neil Turok urges caution on BICEP2 results - physicsworld.com


If you read about the findings from BICEP2, they make these claims from the detection of E and B mode polarization and there are arguments whether these components are even cosmological.
The media sensationalism COMBINED with skepticism from field professionals who say "nothing is solved yet".

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This is not something that’s just a home run, but a grand slam. It’s the smoking gun for inflation. It hints at unification of the fundamental forces at energies 10 trillions of times higher than those accessible at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN,” Kamionkowski said.
^^^^^media runs with that

Turok says "No" ... MSM??? *crickets*

Seems to me like the issue is one of comprehension....on your end. Good luck in your endeavors figuring it out.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:37 PM
 
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Also, I touched on this in the "Another shot to Creationism" thread.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/34004336-post105.html


When NY Times printed that article Kamionkowski stated "The results of BICEP2 were not fully understood"....BY HIM. This is the same guy who said it's a "smoking gun"!!

And the NY Times edited it out.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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Neil Turok urges caution on BICEP2 results - physicsworld.com


So, the question I have here is two part...

1 - Why would the field/media fell compelled to release some grandstanding video and make emphatic statements that this has been "proven" when the science is clearly unsettled...

2 - Why was such major news propagated in such a weird and anti-climactic way. It seemed like it was scripted.


If you read about the findings from BICEP2, they make these claims from the detection of E and B mode polarization and there are arguments whether these components are even cosmological.

I don't think the science is unsettled. . from what I understand.

I mean just because you can ignore huge amounts of observation . . .doesn't mean everyone else does
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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I don't think the science is unsettled. . from what I understand.

I mean just because you can ignore huge amounts of observation . . .doesn't mean everyone else does
Just because you can accept a bunch of information that you DON'T understand doesn't mean everyone else does.
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Old 03-25-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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Neil Turok urges caution on BICEP2 results - physicsworld.com


So, the question I have here is two part...

1 - Why would the field/media fell compelled to release some grandstanding video and make emphatic statements that this has been "proven" when the science is clearly unsettled...

2 - Why was such major news propagated in such a weird and anti-climactic way. It seemed like it was scripted.


If you read about the findings from BICEP2, they make these claims from the detection of E and B mode polarization and there are arguments whether these components are even cosmological.
The big bang theory cannot be proven. Not now, not ever.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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From what I understand they can't show infinite density could exist.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:06 PM
 
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Hmmm this is a strange thread. Is the OP a native English speaker? I'm not sure if the main point is coming across very clearly.
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:06 PM
 
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Just because you can accept a bunch of information that you DON'T understand doesn't mean everyone else does.
what leads you to this conclusion?



Ad Hominimum attacks on other people doesn't prove you right or wrong.

You don't know my education level, the people in my network, or my ability to understand relevant scientific data.


Based on my review, and the support, I see no widespread disagreement in the scientific community regarding these facts.


People who blast theories, don't understand. . its like seeing a huge number of signs , roads, weather patterns, etc all pointing in the same direction. All giving you the same data. Independently and uniquely verifiable and all tests only seek to confirm the hypothesis


I'm up . . .for your theory. If all signs point to this event . . what is your theory that competes? One that fills in all the same gaps as this theory does, but just happens to be different

i'm waiting


How about a Giant being in another dimension ejaculation that is . . .
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Old 03-25-2014, 03:07 PM
 
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https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/56c8050f60db

LOL
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