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Old 04-05-2014, 09:30 PM
 
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Good post.

Compromise is always difficult for politicians, you know that. But when the middle class is literally falling to pieces, both sides have an urgent reason to act.
Agreed, but compromise hasn't always been difficult. Indeed, a lawmaker's job used to be to compromise. Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan achieved many compromises during their terms. "Playing to the base" is the new norm, but each base does not come close to representing the wishes of most Americans. It makes for good TV, and keeps FOX, MSNBC, and ad agencies in business, but that's about it.

 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Good youtube lily. Im one of those that believe that both major political parties are just different sides to a coin. I also have a saying any illness in society is there because someone is profiting from it, take the profit away and it will vanish.

I liked this obama phone ladys clip

Obama Phone Lady: Obama Lied - YouTube

Lol what politicians lie?
hehe I dig Obama phone lady, she has the ability to keep it real.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:37 PM
 
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Exactly!
Obama wanted to raise capital gains taxes to 44% I believe it was and his base cheered because after all he was going after the rich right?

What is going to happen to those stocks if “Obama” would raise the dividend and capital gains taxes to 44%? Even if only to the “rich,”. The rich will respond by pulling their money out of the stock market and putting it elsewhere. So, the market tanks and what happens to everyone else's stock holdings (including your retirement account) when the rich pull their funds out of the stock market?

Nothing like doing something for spite and it coming back to bite the very people who bought into Obama's rhetoric.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:39 PM
 
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The poor can always be bribed with handouts from the ruling class, and the extremely wealthy are few enough in number that the ruling elite can easily make “deals” with them (Soyndra, GE, etc.). But the Middle Class can not be bought so easily therefore it is being destroyed. Convert the Middle Class into a new poor class by killing small business.

Kill jobs by increasing taxes on small business (those making $200k),
These jobs have largely been killed by big business, not taxation. I'm not aware of any tax increase on small business, anyway.
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Prevent small business from expanding,
Small business can't compete with Lowe's, Wal-Mart, et.al., much less expand.
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Kill innovation,
Attack success,
This is hyperbole. Innovation is alive and well, especially in technology. No one is attacking success.

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The real filthy rich, can always stash their money where the Government can’t touch it. Open that new business in another country. But the small businessman in Iowa does not have such options. That’s just one more reason why “soak the rich” schemes never work.
Don't "soak" anyone. Just make the filthy rich shoulder more of the burden.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:39 PM
 
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Is it the government's role to feed, clothe and mentor the people? Anyone?
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:40 PM
 
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These jobs have largely been killed by big business, not taxation. I'm not aware of any tax increase on small business, anyway.

Small business can't compete with Lowe's, Wal-Mart, et.al., much less expand.

This is hyperbole. Innovation is alive and well, especially in technology. No one is attacking success.


Don't "soak" anyone. Just make the filthy rich shoulder more of the burden.
Do you really think the owners of Lowes, Walmart make $200k a year? Really??? Did you think you were going to get big bad CEO's and bankers at this income level? Really?

And since when is $200k filthy rich? Really? Yet Obama ran around campaigning on raising taxes on $200k, you know, as he called them "millionaires and billionaires. And his naive and ignorant base fell for it. Who was he targeting? Upper "middle class", government already drained the lower and middle, middle class. Obama didn't go after the filthy rich.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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I believe what you fail to realize is not everyone who uses medicaid welfare is not contributing to society.
If they're TAKING more from society than they're contributing, it's a net LOSS. How do you not know that?
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:44 PM
 
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There's something wrong with the system, alright.
Indeed.

Medicaid Pays For Nearly Half of All Births in the United States | publichealth.gwu.edu
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:46 PM
 
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Obama wanted to raise capital gains taxes to 44% I believe it was and his base cheered because after all he was going after the rich right?

What is going to happen to those stocks if “Obama” would raise the dividend and capital gains taxes to 44%? Even if only to the “rich,”. The rich will respond by pulling their money out of the stock market and putting it elsewhere. So, the market tanks and what happens to everyone else's stock holdings (including your retirement account) when the rich pull their funds out of the stock market?

Nothing like doing something for spite and it coming back to bite the very people who bought into Obama's rhetoric.
No offense petch, but keep your day job. The economy doesn't work that way. Even if people pulled out of stocks and put their money into art, for example, they still would have to pay capital gains tax on any appreciation when selling that art. Capital gains tax applies to any investment, not just the stock market. So, if stocks are performing better than rare artwork, they will leave their money in stocks, regardless of the tax rate.

It seems you're more interested in being partisan than having an actual discussion. Bringing up Obama and "liberals" does not offer any insight into our economic problems.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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If they're TAKING more from society than they're contributing, it's a net LOSS. How do you not know that?
There will always be such people. What do you propose we do with them?
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