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Old 04-05-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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Here we are in agreement. I said as much in a previous post. The Republicans are no better. They try to convince us that cutting taxes for the wealthy will help the poor. Both parties are full of it.

How long do politicians have to keep on promising heaven and delivering hell before people catch on and stop getting swept away by rhetoric?
Thomas Sowell

Either way, at this time you know my feelings, Obama made it harder for hard working people to move up. Obama can't be that stupid to not know the difference between rich and upper income. He played people, Democrats are playing people by using the class warfare rhetoric to get more money from us. At least look into it. So at this time I'll go republican. At least they knew that Obama was hurting the upper middle class and small business people.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/24/maga...+(Most+Popular)

 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Here we are in agreement. I said as much in a previous post. The Republicans are no better. They try to convince us that cutting taxes for the wealthy will help the poor. Both parties are full of it.
Yeah but we still need to vote.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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How long do politicians have to keep on promising heaven and delivering hell before people catch on and stop getting swept away by rhetoric?
Thomas Sowell

Either way, at this time you know my feelings, Obama made it harder for hard working people to move up. So at this time I'll go republican.
Same here. Unless some miracle happens, I might have change of heart. So far, Republican seems more promising.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Right now in my community there are literally hundreds of jobs going unfilled, yet there are still those who religiously go down and apply for every type of assistance they can get and still do not work. We are not talking about people who are not capable of working, we are talking about people who have absolutely no inclination to even try to find employment.
Where I live, if you don't have a job, then you simply don't want to work.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:44 PM
 
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I suggest you change strategy. Putting words in people's mouth is really getting old.

None of us here is going to apologize for leading a somewhat decent life. We work hard for it and we deserve it.

There are welfare queens out there who don't deserve our compassion or help because they abuse the hell out of the system. These are the people we are talking about and attacking, not the poor parents and their children who really need help.

Big difference. we have compassion, we just choose to give our compassion to the people who deserve it.
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, nor do I expect you to apologize for success, nor support welfare abusers. That wasn't my point at all.

I agree wholeheartedly that people should prepare for children, but I won't go so far to say that those who don't prepare don't love their children, nor that they are selfish. That's all I was saying. Some people have plenty of money, but still are not prepared for children. I won't criticize them for starting a family, either.

Again, I'm not talking about welfare cheats, bums, nor any other dreg of society. I was only speaking of the poor.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:44 PM
 
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Same here. Unless some miracle happens, I might have change of heart. So far, Republican seems more promising.
Yes, they at least understood that by raising taxes on $200k and above was raising taxes on the upper "middle class" and not the uber rich that the lefties hate. Obama knew it too but he knew his base was financially ignorant and would buy into it easily.

I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.
--- Thomas Sowell
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:46 PM
 
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Yeah but we still need to vote.
Here in NV, we have a "none of the above" option. I've used it twice. Once in 2000 presidential (I was actually correct for what, about three months? ), and once in 2010 senatorial.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:48 PM
 
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I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, nor do I expect you to apologize for success, nor support welfare abusers. That wasn't my point at all.

I agree wholeheartedly that people should prepare for children, but I won't go so far to say that those who don't prepare don't love their children, nor that they are selfish. That's all I was saying. Some people have plenty of money, but still are not prepared for children. I won't criticize them for starting a family, either.

Again, I'm not talking about welfare cheats, bums, nor any other dreg of society. I was only speaking of the poor.
NOT One person said they don't love their children so stop putting words in our mouths. They are just not thinking what is best for them.

"A Tennessee man who has 22 children by 14 women is being sued in what might be one of Nashville's most expensive child support cases. In an interview outside court, Orlando Shaw said he loves all of his kids and considers himself a good father".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/22-children-14-women

You don't call that abuse of the taxpayer?
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yes, they at least understood that by raising taxes on $200k and above was raising taxes on the upper "middle class" and not the uber rich that the lefties hate. Obama knew it too but he knew his base was financially ignorant and would buy into it easily.

I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.
--- Thomas Sowell
It is going to be hard for Republican party, because young people, regardless of party, prefer a live-and-let-live approach on social issues is nothing new. We support gay marriage, for abortion, etc.

Obviously, If the party wants to move forward and appeal to our generation they have to appeal to the majority to succeed. It is not easy.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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"A Tennessee man who has 22 children by 14 women is being sued in what might be one of Nashville's most expensive child support cases. In an interview outside court, Orlando Shaw said he loves all of his kids and considers himself a good father".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/22-children-14-women

You don't call that abuse of the taxpayer?
hahahahahha simply absurd. This man can call himself a good father. Obviously, different people have different definition of love.
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