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Old 03-27-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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No self respecting anarchist would vote for any of the two major parties. Heck, no self respecting libertarian would vote for either.
A libertarian, by definition, is self-respecting.

You are being redundant.
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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If you had to describe your core political philosophy in one standard length sentence what would it be?

For me it would be

"Do what ever you want, just don't ask me to pay for it."
You and me may be the only two of our kind left out here.
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You and me may be the only two of our kind left out here.
Who pays when a drug addict steals your wallet?
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Im a liberal. I dont believe government can do everything, but i do believe it can do good.
How?
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Old 03-27-2014, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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How is he either just because you say so ?

I guess i should also answer the thread question before i get reported again.

Im a liberal. I dont believe government can do everything, but i do believe it can do good.

It is not what I said it is what he himself said

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The "bigness" or "smallness" of government is one variable of measurement. It is not the only one worth entertaining.

I can tolerate public health care, education, parks, libraries, poverty relief and even some characteristically liberal nanny-statism, more than I can tolerate a government dedicated to permanent militarism, hostility toward the world community, rejection of science in favor of religious mass psychosis, enthusiasm for torture, mass incarceration and the like. Even if the second choice has a slightly lower price tag.
Now he has every right to those views, but someone who supports 'liberal nanny-statism' can hardly in the same breath call himself an anarchist. He wouldn't even be able to honestly call himself a libertarian or conservative. Again, he's a garden variety progressive. Confucius said that the beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names.
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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I am fiscally conservative, (mostly) socially liberal, and try to vote for people rather than politicians when possible (and it rarely is).
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Now he has every right to those views, but someone who supports 'liberal nanny-statism' can hardly in the same breath call himself an anarchist.
Lucky I didn't say I "supported" that.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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How can you vote for Democrats and call yourself an anarchist? It's contradictory.
Because the alternative to the Democrats, in the real world, is a pack of evil psychopaths.

You failed to notice the "rational" in "rational anarchist." "Anarchist" means I deny that the state has any intrinsic moral authority. "Rational", to me, means accepting that the state may be an instrumental good in some cases even without possessing intrinsic moral authority. "Rational" also requires appraising one's alternatives realistically.

The Democrats mainly want to achieve ends that, in themselves, are laudable. I may often disagree with using the government to achieve them, but not, ordinarily, with the goals themselves.

The Republicans, in contrast, have goals that nobody should be pursuing--and that's being kind. Take away war fever and religious obscurantism, and the Republican Party really has no reason to exist.

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Old 03-27-2014, 10:04 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Because the alternative, in the real world, is a pack of evil psychopaths.

You failed to notice the "rational" in "rational anarchist." "Anarchist" means I deny that the state has any intrinsic moral authority. "Rational", to me, means accepting that the state may be an instrumental good in some cases even without possessing intrinsic moral authority. "Rational" also requires appraising one's alternatives realistically.

The Democrats mainly want to achieve ends that, in themselves, are laudable. I may often disagree with using the government to achieve them, but not, ordinarily, with the goals themselves.

The Republicans, in contrast, have goals that nobody should be pursuing--and that's being kind. Take away war fever and religious obscurantism, and the Republican Party really has no reason to exist.
I think the republicans exist to stop the democrats.

This is how I see traditional Washington, democrats say "oooooooo shiney, let's buy that" of course they do that with every single item they see. The republicans are always "we can't afford it, we can't afford it, we can't afford it." The problem now is republicans are starting with the "oooooooooo shiney" and when both parties don't care about the debt they rack up, well, I don't have to explain the problems that will cause.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:34 PM
 
Location: CA
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Liberty ~ e pluribus unum ~ in God we trust.

(Individual liberty; from many, one = assimilation; and societal values from our Judea o-Christian foundation.)
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