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Old 03-30-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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I can see the "over-diagnosis" arguement with ADD and ADHD -- but autism is quite different. My completely normal son was diagnosed with ADD by a child psychologist and promptly undiagnosed with it by his pediatrician -- so he never got put on drugs and has done fine, finished college easily, has not trouble working and being promoted and given raises.

Autism has clearer symptoms. Something is causing the very high increasing rates.
The more logical view of this is just as ignored as is the strong link between autism and neurotoxins. The reality is, neurological damage can be either mild or severe, depending upon levels of exposure and a particular individual's ability to clear those toxins. There are threshholds that differ, person to person, and that is complicated by other factors which are impossible to predict, and are not even investigated, such as other sources of neurotoxic exposure from all sources.

Sure, the possibility exists that some kids are being misdiagnosed with ADHD because nowadays everyone is supposed to behave in certain prescribed ways. Be quiet, follow instructions, pay attention, obey the rules. And everything is now a violation of the rules .. what used to be dismissed with routine corrective measures are now dealt with in extreme over reactive ways, like calling the police, or suspending or expelling the kids for breaking rules that used to be handled with a trip to the principle's office, or detention after school.

But there are legitimate issues also regarding kids who just can't sit still ... can't focus for long periods of time, and maybe they always existed and schools have just become more intolerant or insistent on conformity. In any event, I believe we also cannot dismiss the possibility that some of these kids are indeed suffering mild neurological symptoms.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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That would work well if the judges weren't owned by corporations.
A better idea would be to outlaw all corporations with more than 10 employees while sending all corporatists to a prison in Alaska where they could perform useful labor for the peoples party.

//sarcasm off
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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But there are legitimate issues also regarding kids who just can't sit still ... can't focus for long periods of time, and maybe they always existed and schools have just become more intolerant or insistent on conformity. In any event, I believe we also cannot dismiss the possibility that some of these kids are indeed suffering mild neurological symptoms.
These kids need to cordoned off into an area where X-box type math, physics and language games are supplied.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The more logical view of this is just as ignored as is the strong link between autism and neurotoxins. The reality is, neurological damage can be either mild or severe, depending upon levels of exposure and a particular individual's ability to clear those toxins. There are threshholds that differ, person to person, and that is complicated by other factors which are impossible to predict, and are not even investigated, such as other sources of neurotoxic exposure from all sources.

Sure, the possibility exists that some kids are being misdiagnosed with ADHD because nowadays everyone is supposed to behave in certain prescribed ways. Be quiet, follow instructions, pay attention, obey the rules. And everything is now a violation of the rules .. what used to be dismissed with routine corrective measures are now dealt with in extreme over reactive ways, like calling the police, or suspending or expelling the kids for breaking rules that used to be handled with a trip to the principle's office, or detention after school.

But there are legitimate issues also regarding kids who just can't sit still ... can't focus for long periods of time, and maybe they always existed and schools have just become more intolerant or insistent on conformity. In any event, I believe we also cannot dismiss the possibility that some of these kids are indeed suffering mild neurological symptoms.
There are a lot more of them today than in the past and the numbers are growing not declining.
Classroom management and smaller classes aren't working either.

Something is effecting these kids and it's across the board as I've work in good, bad, urban and suburban schools and it's prevalent across all.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:15 PM
 
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A better idea would be to outlaw all corporations with more than 10 employees while sending all corporatists to a prison in Alaska where they could perform useful labor for the peoples party.

//sarcasm off
All judges shall be required to live in middle class neighborhoods and drive middle class cars.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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There are a lot more of them today than in the past and the numbers are growing not declining.
Classroom management and smaller classes aren't working either.

Something is effecting these kids and it's across the board as I've work in good, bad, urban and suburban schools and it's prevalent across all.
Shouldn't be difficult to track the commonality then, should it?
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Old 03-30-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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There are a lot more of them today than in the past and the numbers are growing not declining.
Classroom management and smaller classes aren't working either.

Something is effecting these kids and it's across the board as I've work in good, bad, urban and suburban schools and it's prevalent across all.
I went to a seminar recently, and one speaker was a well known local singer. He told how he was told he had ADHD from a young age. Was put on all sorts of tablets, slow him down, pick him up. He could never concentrate in school (any wonder???) as an teen/adult suffered depression. He then decided to clean up his diet up (organic,vegan) started to take zinc (he was highly deficient) and has not had a need to take any prescription pills since.
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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The more logical view of this is just as ignored as is the strong link between autism and neurotoxins. The reality is, neurological damage can be either mild or severe, depending upon levels of exposure and a particular individual's ability to clear those toxins. There are threshholds that differ, person to person, and that is complicated by other factors which are impossible to predict, and are not even investigated, such as other sources of neurotoxic exposure from all sources.

Sure, the possibility exists that some kids are being misdiagnosed with ADHD because nowadays everyone is supposed to behave in certain prescribed ways. Be quiet, follow instructions, pay attention, obey the rules. And everything is now a violation of the rules .. what used to be dismissed with routine corrective measures are now dealt with in extreme over reactive ways, like calling the police, or suspending or expelling the kids for breaking rules that used to be handled with a trip to the principle's office, or detention after school.

But there are legitimate issues also regarding kids who just can't sit still ... can't focus for long periods of time, and maybe they always existed and schools have just become more intolerant or insistent on conformity. In any event, I believe we also cannot dismiss the possibility that some of these kids are indeed suffering mild neurological symptoms.
Yes, some may be -- like the pediatrician said after evaluating everything, my son obviously didn't have a learning problem, he was at the top of standardized tests but poor grades. A true neurological problem would involve more than just "multitasking" but inhibit learning.
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The Toxins That Threaten Our Brains - The Atlantic

This article makes the case that we are damaging our own brains and that of our offspring by the poisoning of our environment for corporate profit.

What do you expect, with all the pharmaceuticals consumed and we pis and crap in our drinking water.
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Something is going on because each year I get more students that have to go see the nurse "to take their medicine" daily.
Yep. America the Medicated.

Pathetic.

Pregnant women getting through the day with medication and they wonder why their kids are messed up.
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