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Old 03-28-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Medicare system works pretty damn good and it's for those old people who use 90% of the health care in the nation. Ask any Tea Partier. Go ahead, I dare you.
They pay in for decades upon decades before being able to use it and even then they have to have supplemental insurance.

That doesn't even compare to what you want.
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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You're another knee-jerker who can't grasp a simple concept. Where were the R's Before Ocare entered the picture. Sure, they came up with all sorts of options for pre-existing conditions, gaps in coverage, competition, etc., After Ocare was on the table. What did they do when the ball was in their court. Zip.
I'd rather they do zip than light the rag on fire thats sticking out of the gas tank
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Of which the majority lost the health care they previously liked and could afford.

It would be like me firing 10 people, then hiring them back and saying "look, I just hired 10 people."
A situation quite similar to the jobs "created" for the census.

El Nox
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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They pay in for decades upon decades before being able to use it and even then they have to have supplemental insurance.

That doesn't even compare to what you want.
No they don't. I have Medicare and I don't have supplemental insurance and do just fine. My dr. visits cost 16.00 co pay and my heart specialists cost 35.00 co pay. Supplemental insurance is for people who don't want to pay anything.
Come on Tex, don't be so obviously partisan. You're on Medicare and you know exactly how it works. Hospital stays......1045 out of pocket and the rest is covered. Medicare part B is 104.50 a month right now and Medicare part A is free to the user with no monthly fee.

I was responding to the poster who stated that if health care for all was run by the government she didn't want any [part of it. My response was Medicare works pretty darn good and it provides 90% of all health care provided in the Nation. (Remember, old people over 65 need much more heath care than people under 65, as a rule. I have the same doctors with Medicare that I had when I had private health insurance. They don't give me any less service now than they did before.
So government run health care really isn't so bad, now is it? Tell the truth.
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The way the sign up process started, I seriously had doubts the the number would get to 7 million. Wow! It looks like it will be very close to reaching that.
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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I don't think of the R's or conservatives as a party of hate. I think of them as the party of neglect when it comes to health insurance/health care. They had plenty of time to deal with some of the obvious issues, pre-existing conditions among them, and did nothing. Obamacare isn't the correct solution, but R's offered none of their own until it was too late.
You speak from total ignorance. Even as early as the Bush administration, a plan was offered. But like every other time a plan to address health care is proposed, the the people who benefit from the status quo go guns a blazing, to demonize it and shoot it down.

Bush Health Care Plan Seems to Fall Short ]August 22, 2004)
Bush's health plan: Who will pay less, who will pay more - (Jan. 23, 2007)

The Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 is an example, that when even both parties think they have created a winner, it turns out to be a big fail.

The best thing to do would be to do a detailed study with the private sector health care industry, to find out where the money sinks and barriers are, within our health care industry, and modify our regulations and pull back federal control of the private sector to promote change, but allow the private market to work it out.
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Man. Where can I vote. Like the mEssiah he is, Mr Prez pulls a rabbit out of the hat. Six million people have signed up for Obamacare. Ahead of schedule and on target with the revised target. Obamacare enrollment at 6 million, hits goal: White House

'Course, he nor Kath, nor Nance, nor harry can tell you:

1. How many people actually paid the premium

2. How many people gained insurance for the first time

3. What the demographics look like

and, on and on and on. I smell a skunk in this miraculous numbers.
Let's face it ~ it's more than the Repubs ever dreamed of.
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I have a few questions.
How far over budget is the ACA to date? At what cost has this push been for we the people? How many enrolled already had insurance , but were forced to enroll because the ACA cost them their old plan? How many enrolled didn't have insurance before?
The numbers are skewed and I believe by intent. The ACA may very well turn out to be the biggest porkulous package in history.
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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You speak from total ignorance. Even as early as the Bush administration, a plan was offered. But like every other time a plan to address health care is proposed, the the people who benefit from the status quo go guns a blazing, to demonize it and shoot it down.

Bush Health Care Plan Seems to Fall Short ]August 22, 2004)
Bush's health plan: Who will pay less, who will pay more - (Jan. 23, 2007)

The Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 is an example, that when even both parties think they have created a winner, it turns out to be a big fail.

The best thing to do would be to do a detailed study with the private sector health care industry, to find out where the money sinks and barriers are, within our health care industry, and modify our regulations and pull back federal control of the private sector to promote change, but allow the private market to work it out.
What happened to Bush's plans when he had a Republican-controlled Congress. DOA. To be more specific, R's in Congress were do-nothings on health insurance/care.
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Old 03-28-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No they don't. I have Medicare and I don't have supplemental insurance and do just fine. My dr. visits cost 16.00 co pay and my heart specialists cost 35.00 co pay. Supplemental insurance is for people who don't want to pay anything.
Come on Tex, don't be so obviously partisan. You're on Medicare and you know exactly how it works. Hospital stays......1045 out of pocket and the rest is covered. Medicare part B is 104.50 a month right now and Medicare part A is free to the user with no monthly fee.

I was responding to the poster who stated that if health care for all was run by the government she didn't want any [part of it. My response was Medicare works pretty darn good and it provides 90% of all health care provided in the Nation. (Remember, old people over 65 need much more heath care than people under 65, as a rule. I have the same doctors with Medicare that I had when I had private health insurance. They don't give me any less service now than they did before.
So government run health care really isn't so bad, now is it? Tell the truth.
I'm not on medicare. I'm retired (early) and on my company retiree health insurance.
I've got 10+ years to go before I can sign up for medicare.
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