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Old 04-03-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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And as of yet you've not pointed out the corruption here. We already have laws that address corruption. Its why those like the politicians in California have been suspended and are facing charges.

Where is the corruption in the $100 million Adelson threw away?
Corruption is not just a criminal concept. Corruption actually means a deviation from the ideal. It is a perversion of integrity. A violation of honor. Our political system is based on representation. Our representatives are elected to represent their constituents. When Adelson gives money to the campaign of, say, a Senate candidate from Arkansas, he's perverting the process. Why? Because Adelson isn't from Arkansas. But he's trying to influence an election in Arkansas, to promote his own political beliefs and interests. To advance HIS interests, not the interests of the people of Arkansas. Not the interests of the Senator's constituents. That is a deviation from the ideal. A deviation from how our system was designed and how it was meant to operate. The large infusions of cash from very wealthy individuals influence our elected representatives to entertain the interests of those wealthy individuals, those larger corporations, those well-funded lobby groups, more intently than the average constituent. And that is a corruption of the process.

When Republicans converged in Vegas recently, and Adelson was invited to sit at the table, was courted for his money, that is a deviation from the ideal. A deviation from how our political process was originally designed, and a deviation from the basic principle of our country, that we are all equals. We all don't get invited to the table.

We all don't get invited to the table may be a fundamental reality of a capitalist society. But when business/finance gets a permanent seat at the table, that's fascism. That's what fascism is. Government policy being crafted to favor business ownership. It's insidious, because clearly government and the people have an interest in a strong economy, in an economy that is favorable for businesses to start and to grow. But government has an even stronger interest in balance. Fascism tips the balance. The balance between average citizens' access to government, and a government where average citizens have virtually no access to government.

This SCOTUS decision, and the entire tenor of Republican rhetoric, is about giving more and more influence to Wall Street. And less and less influence to Main Street. And that's a problem for the Republican party. Like it or not.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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They do when they have the majority of power and control.

Yes, I'm sure you thought the asinine clarification was pretty good.
No they don't. They have the ability to break the law and get away with it or to decide who else can break the law and get away with it in many cases but numbers speak far louder.

Obama wanted to go into Syria. It would have been good for many with money. War is always profitable for them. The left's hard core support spoke up though. They let it be known that if Obama went into Syria that he could not rely on them for their votes.

Speaking up and not allowing yourself to be taken for granted trumps money.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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Corruption is not just a criminal concept. Corruption actually means a deviation from the ideal. It is a perversion of integrity. A violation of honor. Our political system is based on representation. Our representatives are elected to represent their constituents. When Adelson gives money to the campaign of, say, a Senate candidate from Arkansas, he's perverting the process. Why? Because Adelson isn't from Arkansas. But he's trying to influence an election in Arkansas, to promote his own political beliefs and interests. To advance HIS interests, not the interests of the people of Arkansas. Not the interests of the Senator's constituents. That is a deviation from the ideal. A deviation from how our system was designed and how it was meant to operate. The large infusions of cash from very wealthy individuals influence our elected representatives to entertain the interests of those wealthy individuals, those larger corporations, those well-funded lobby groups, more intently than the average constituent. And that is a corruption of the process.

When Republicans converged in Vegas recently, and Adelson was invited to sit at the table, was courted for his money, that is a deviation from the ideal. A deviation from how our political process was originally designed, and a deviation from the basic principle of our country, that we are all equals. We all don't get invited to the table.

We all don't get invited to the table may be a fundamental reality of a capitalist society. But when business/finance gets a permanent seat at the table, that's fascism. That's what fascism is. Government policy being crafted to favor business ownership. It's insidious, because clearly government and the people have an interest in a strong economy, in an economy that is favorable for businesses to start and to grow. But government has an even stronger interest in balance. Fascism tips the balance. The balance between average citizens' access to government, and a government where average citizens have virtually no access to government.

This SCOTUS decision, and the entire tenor of Republican rhetoric, is about giving more and more influence to Wall Street. And less and less influence to Main Street. And that's a problem for the Republican party. Like it or not.
Have we passed the laws he is after? Even if we do does it really matter? Will a law keep the majority that want to gamble online from gambling online? People like Adelson are a temporary nuisance. His time has come and gone. In another generation his way will be history. In 50 years Las Vegas will be Detroit.

So many are willing to cede the future (our rights) for what is a short term problem. If you give up your rights they are still gone after Adelson is dead and buried. So many refuse to look at the big picture. It's all irrelevant after all your rights are gone. You have absolutely no say then. We won't be able to pool our like beliefs together in the form of an ACLU and protect ourselves from those with money. They will still have their influence election campaign laws or not. You won't.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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Liberals say this, conservatives do that...liberals do this, conservatives say that-IT DOESN'T MATTER!

People and Corporations that donate absurd amounts of money to politicians donate to both sides of the aisle and play all hands. This miniscule fraction of the population controls our Government. It is only YOU partisan idiots that argue amongst yourselves and keep the charade alive that we have a functioning democracy. Wake up and stop blindly defending people because you think they are on your "team".

Expose the corruption.
Wanted to reiterate this quote.

This whole topic is not about conservatives or liberals it is about the wealthy buying the actions of our elected officials and essentially making us a non-issue to those officials.

Corruption has overtaken our government on both sides. All the major donors dontate to BOTH SIDES!!

It is like you all don't get this. It is not a liberal vs. conservative thing or a Dem vs. Repub thing. It is the fact that a miniscule group of wealthy individuals are making themselves a priority in this country instead of the majority being the priority.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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Wanted to reiterate this quote.

This whole topic is not about conservatives or liberals it is about the wealthy buying the actions of our elected officials and essentially making us a non-issue to those officials.

Corruption has overtaken our government on both sides. All the major donors dontate to BOTH SIDES!!

It is like you all don't get this. It is not a liberal vs. conservative thing or a Dem vs. Repub thing. It is the fact that a miniscule group of wealthy individuals are making themselves a priority in this country instead of the majority being the priority.
They can't do a damn thing that you don't allow them to do. Yes, they all got away with breaking the law and crashing the economy. Why did they get away with it? It isn't because they have money. It's because the few that tried to demand they be held responsible were marginalized by the majority because it threatened the status quo.

The majority refused to lose even one single election to see that justice was done here.
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