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Old 04-03-2014, 07:03 PM
 
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Science and observations support only one side of this argument from what I can see...I'll trust the scientists over people with unsubstantiated opinions because I'm not an idiot.
So you believe in models....that is the only way to come up with what is being said....

 
Old 04-03-2014, 07:06 PM
 
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Too long winded is why....It is a gish gallop...
Is that what you would tell a child, if reading any book that had over 2 sentences....it all gish gallop...no need to read it....


Or you read it, and you have no answer.

I'm betting it's ^^^^^^^
 
Old 04-03-2014, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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So you believe in models....that is the only way to come up with what is being said....
Not so much, but I do believe in thermometers, calculations of ice melting, measurements of sea level rising, etc.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Is that what you would tell a child, if reading any book that had over 2 sentences....it all gish gallop...no need to read it....


Or you read it, and you have no answer.

I'm betting it's ^^^^^^^
It's too full of straw men that I do not have the energy, nor the desire to knock down....This entire arguing with deniers is getting old and boring...Deniers are exactly like creationists, in that even though they have no evidence their minds cannot be changed...I'll let the climate speak for itself.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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It's too full of straw men that I do not have the energy, nor the desire to knock down....This entire arguing with deniers is getting old and boring...Deniers are exactly like creationists, in that even though they have no evidence their minds cannot be changed...I'll let the climate speak for itself.

So basically you got nothing...i'll tell ya what...pick out one you think is a straw man and beat it down...go ahead....anyone....

And you are right, debating with believers is getting old because they refuse any evidence provided to them because it's either to long or to much gish gallop....

So, if you think those couple paragraphs are gish gallop....why and how did you read all those other articles...they had to be longer than those couple paragraphs....
 
Old 04-03-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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Not so much, but I do believe in thermometers, calculations of ice melting, measurements of sea level rising, etc.
And the data from 250,000 years ago?

So, you should believe nothing prior to the thermometers being invented....right....
 
Old 04-03-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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Too long winded is why....It is a gish gallop...
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Originally Posted by sanspeur View Post
It's too full of straw men that I do not have the energy, nor the desire to knock down....This entire arguing with deniers is getting old and boring...Deniers are exactly like creationists, in that even though they have no evidence their minds cannot be changed...I'll let the climate speak for itself.
in other words you have got nothing. no argument what so ever, or oyu would break down each argument and refute them one by one. there is plenty of evidence for both sides of the debate, the problem is that you wont accept ANY evidence from the non agw side of the debate, which means you dont really want to debate the issue, you just want to let big government take the reins of your life and let them do what they will despite the fact that it will cost you tons of money for nothing.
 
Old 04-04-2014, 02:36 AM
 
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in other words you have got nothing. no argument what so ever, or oyu would break down each argument and refute them one by one. there is plenty of evidence for both sides of the debate, the problem is that you wont accept ANY evidence from the non agw side of the debate, which means you dont really want to debate the issue, you just want to let big government take the reins of your life and let them do what they will despite the fact that it will cost you tons of money for nothing.
The entire scientific community has no debate on the issue of global warming=its happening..
There maybe some small segments of that community that feel that man isnt affecting our present climate change but the vast majority have no doubt man is adversely affecting current climate.


The Causes of Global Warming: A Global Warming FAQ | Union of Concerned Scientists

Climate Change, Tropospheric Ozone and Particulate Matter, and Health Impacts

http://www.lenntech.com/hazardous-su...ate-matter.htm

http://www.policymic.com/articles/78...re-the-results

Global Analysis - Annual 2013 | State of the Climate | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...l_warming.html

Climate Change Facts: Answers to Common Questions | Climate Change | US EPA

http://www.policymic.com/articles/78...re-the-results

Climate Change: Consensus

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring...al-warming.php
 
Old 04-04-2014, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The data is pretty self explanatory. This is climate change explained in three very easy to read graphs:










Just so there is no dispute on the sources,

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration make this information public.


If you can still say with a straight face that anthropogenic climate change is a scam / hoax / whatever, let's hear the explanation.
wow....you can post pretty pictures and graphs

meanwhile...
actual EVIDENCE shows warming causing an increase in co2


we all want clean air/land/water

do we humans pollute...yes
do we humans waste...yes
do we humans overdevelop and cut trees(a natural radiant cooler and co2 user/o2 PRODUCER)...yes
do we humans the add to ENVIROMENTAL CHANGES.........YES and NO
are we humans the cause of the earths CLIMATE changes........NO

the problem here is that people are using BAD FALSEIFIED SCIENCE to scare people about warming or cooling and they are using c02 as a scapegoat

everyone knows (and its scientifically proven) that climate has changed many, many times

and yet NOT ONE scientist has proven MANMADE global warming

the globe evolves. The global environment changes..periodically...there have been WARMER TIMES..there have been cooler times..there have been times when C02 was MUCH, MUCH higher


guess what our co2 levels are currently around 350ppm

co2 levels were over 700 ppm 20 thousand years ago....so what's the big deal

guess what, by science no less...the ideal co2 ppm for most plants is....700-1500 ppm


The air's CO2 content rises, most plants exhibit increased rates of net photosynthesis and biomass production. Moreover, on a per-unit-leaf-area basis, plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration, as they tend to display lower stomatal conductances. Hence, the amount of carbon gained per unit of water lost per unit leaf area - or water-use efficiency - should increase dramatically as the air's CO2 content rises. In the study of Serraj et al. (1999), soybeans grown at 700 ppm CO2 displayed 10 to 25% reductions in total water loss while simultaneously exhibiting increases in dry weight of as much as 33%. Thus, elevated CO2 significantly increased the water-use efficiencies of the studied plants.

In summary, it is clear that as the CO2 content of the air continues to rise, nearly all of earth's agricultural species will respond favorably by exhibiting increases in water-use efficiency. It is thus likely that food and fiber production will increase on a worldwide basis, even in areas where productivity is severely restricted due to limited availability of soil moisture. Therefore, one can expect global agricultural productivity to rise in tandem with future increases in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration.

so more co2 is actually GREENER...its not theory, its scientific fact


science shows that humans use oxygen and expel (exhale) co2

science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expels o2

science shows that co2 levels have been 3 times HIGHER than they are today, in the past (ie the co2 325 of today is is much lower than the 750-800 that co2 levels were 100,000 years ago

science shows us that the earth has warmed AND cooled many times

science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush fertile land, not covered in ice

science shows us that Greenland was once a green lush fertile land, not covered with ice

science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of glaciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)

science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER

The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research (SCIENCE) demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. CO2 enriched plants grow rapidly and must also be supplied with the other five "essential elements" to ensure proper development and a plentiful harvest.



common sense states that as the earths population expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.......yet the global warming liberals only want to talk about car/industry exhaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it
 
Old 04-04-2014, 02:49 AM
 
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and yet NOT ONE scientist has proven MANMADE global warming

the globe evolves.
Many have proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And yet you've picked a side in a argument that you dont truly understand. Why?

Seriously, are you a climate expert? Probably not, neither am I, thats why I go to experts to help me.

Its why if my appendix bursts, I dont go see my auto mechanic.

And the experts are pretty much in agreement. If you see 100 doctors, and ask them "do I have X" and 99 of them say yes, and then 1 says "No you don't-and this company paid your bill so I could tell you that"...who do you believe?
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