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Old 04-03-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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It would have to charge enough to break even or turn a profit to not be a drain on public resources. Has the rapid transit project been projected to break even or turn a profit? If not, it's just another black hole that sucks taxpayers' money.
Nonsense, and I LIVE here. It has to charge enough to cover its cost LESS the megamillions in additional roads we will need in the near term and long-term, due to a massively insufficient public transit system.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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Still not seeing where the Koch brothers "went all out" to defeat a liberal boondoggle in a state senate where the Republicans outnumber the Democrats 23-7.

And the bill doesn't stop public transit in Nashville. It prohibits public bus transit that requires embark/debark of passengers anywhere other than the rightmost lane near the curb. Bunch of reasons to vote the center lane rapid bus transit thing down, even beyond basic safety, one of which is cost, another being unintended consequences where a bunch of roads and traffic systems would need to be redesigned to accommodate the center lane thing.

But I don't see the Koch brothers going all out, nor do I see public transit being banned in Nashville.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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Are you assuming that only the poor take mass transit?
No, I'm not conflating the two. You are.

My suggestion is to sure, go ahead with the mass transit plan, but CHARGE riders the actual cost it takes to build and run it.

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You should remind your state government next time they repave your street
I don't live on a federal road. And I'm charged an additional special tax assessment for repaving, as is anyone else whose street is repaved.
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Oh, same with your fire and police departments.
We have surcharges for that. For example, the last time anyone in my family had to call an ambulance, about 6 years ago, the charge was $800.
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And don't bother with a flu shot either since the CDC and NIH aren't mentioned in the Constitution.
I have to pay for a flu shot. Where can you get them for free?
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Some of the opposition seems to be a NIMBY thing.

Then one has to look at those special interest groups who might be harmed by increased public transportation:

Lee Beaman helps bankroll opposition to mayor's Amp project | The Tennessean | tennessean.com
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Perhaps. They're just something that every first world nation has.

Show me the successful country that doesn't have any.

I'll wait.
That's because MANY more of their citizens actually pay their share of taxes. Take a look at the REGRESSIVITY of other countries' tax systems:



Other countries don’t have a “47%”

Implement a regressive tax system here in the U.S., and maybe we'll be able to afford those goodies, as well.


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Old 04-03-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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That's because MANY more of their citizens actually pay their share of taxes. Take a look at the REGRESSIVITY of other countries' tax systems:



Other countries don’t have a “47%”

Implement a regressive tax system here in the U.S., and maybe we'll be able to afford those goodies, as well.


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Don't try to change the subject.

I asked you a very specific question.

Answer it.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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Don't try to change the subject.

I asked you a very specific question.

Answer it.
You asked about other countries. I said they actually expect MANY MORE of their citizens to pay taxes to pay for such things as mass transit.

Again, if we want to have socialist goodies, we're going to have to adopt the REGRESSIVE tax systems used by the socialist democracy countries to pay for such.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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As I said, they're not a continuously ongoing expense. They're laid, and then repaved maybe every 10-15 years. Mass transit systems rack up a net loss every single day.
You say it's not a continuously ongoing expense, then immediately admit it's a continuously ongoing expense.

There's repaving, fixing pot holes, repairing signs, street sweeping, plowing, patrolling, etc... It all adds up, but the anti-transit crowd doesn't care and generally chooses to ignore all that because it's their preferred mode of transportation being funded and maintained at taxpayer expense.
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It prohibits public bus transit that requires embark/debark of passengers anywhere other than the rightmost lane near the curb.
Which would have the effect of killing the entire rapid transit project. Even a child can understand why the lanes need to be in the middle and the stops need to be platforms in the center of the road. This is a solved problem that's been implemented successfully all across the country. Why would it not work in Nashville? The whining about safety rings hollow at best. It's not as if people don't have to cross the street to catch the bus on a routine basis. And the center islands are built to be safer than standing on the right side of the road (they're up higher and often have other barriers in the way to keep people out of the bus lanes), and they let people cross halfway and wait for traffic to clear. That may not matter in East Podunk, but in large areas where 6-8 lanes are the norm, it's nice to have a safe place for people to wait to finish crossing the street.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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How dare any liberal city in a red state try to improve their city.

Koch brothers group works to stop Nashville Amp

"The movement to stop a Nashville mass transit plan has gotten an extra boost of horsepower from an unexpected source: the Koch brothers, out-of-state billionaires with a knack for riling America's liberal masses.

The Tennessee office of Americans for Prosperity, a lobbying organization founded and funded by Charles and David Koch, played a big role in passage of state Senate legislation that would stop the $174 million bus rapid transit project known as the Amp. The bill, which is different from the House's version, would make it illegal for buses to pick up or drop off passengers in the center lane of a state road.

StopAmp.org Inc., the leading opposition group, thanked AFP in a news release Thursday, and Andrew Ogles, AFP's state director, said that the group didn't back the effort financially but that the bill grew out of a conversation he had had with Sen. Jim Tracy, the sponsor.

Charles and David Koch live in Kansas and New York, respectively. Their interest in a Nashville transit project doesn't sit well with its supporters."
I'd bet you NEVER complained about out of state money going to Wisc to attempt to sway the voters there to vote against the repubs in the re call fiasco.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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You asked about other countries. I said they actually expect MANY MORE of their citizens to pay taxes to pay for such things as mass transit.
Which is not what I asked you.

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Again, if we want to have socialist goodies, we're going to have to adopt the REGRESSIVE tax systems used by the socialist democracy countries to pay for such.
That doesn't follow. If any other country funds something a certain way, that doesn't mean we have to fund it that exact same way. Don't try and change the subject.

Again, which successful, first world country has no government-funded transportation system?
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