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Old 04-03-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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How did you do it to get a drivers license?

The state of PA doesnt require a photo ID to get a birth certificate, there are numerous ways to order one without ID, including online

Birth Certificates

Try a better excuse
Not everyone was born in PA.

When I got my drivers license, my birth certificate wasn't as worn, and the state accepted it. The state in the past has simply renewed my existing drivers' license. The next time, they won't. They want to see my birth certificate. But they won't accept my birth certificate now, because the creases have worn through, so they assert that its poor condition invalidates it.

My point is not that it's impossible for someone to get identification. My point is that it's difficult, and can be expensive to do so. And to do this in order to vote places a burden on the voter, an obstacle to voting. That is voter suppression. And it should be anathema to every American to engage in anything akin to voter suppression.

 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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So the article basically states 35,750 people voted in NC has similar names and birth dates as other people in other states....not really something I would call fraud.

The 35K is a high number they cannot all be simple coincidences.

The only solid numbers is something like 80 that voted after they died and 765 with the same everything including last four digits of their SS.

Also note 22 states did no participate in their crosscheck so it's an incomplete study.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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Actually, yes. They are.

Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice

Keep reaching for the stars !
 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The 35K is a high number they cannot all be simple coincidences.

The only solid numbers is something like 80 that voted after they died and 765 with the same everything including last four digits of their SS.

Also note 22 states did no participate in their crosscheck so it's an incomplete study.
Actually that is not a high number, over 3 million people are born every day. The chances of many of them having the same name is pretty easy.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
Not everyone was born in PA.

When I got my drivers license, my birth certificate wasn't as worn, and the state accepted it. The state in the past has simply renewed my existing drivers' license. The next time, they won't. They want to see my birth certificate. But they won't accept my birth certificate now, because the creases have worn through, so they assert that its poor condition invalidates it.

My point is not that it's impossible for someone to get identification. My point is that it's difficult, and can be expensive to do so. And to do this in order to vote places a burden on the voter, an obstacle to voting. That is voter suppression. And it should be anathema to every American to engage in anything akin to voter suppression.
So PA is smarter than the rest of the country?

So if you needed a drivers license now, what would you do? So you would need to get a birth certificate for your license, but you'd become stupid if you need to get it to vote?
 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The fact that 765 voters wouldnt have made a difference isnt a valid argument.
That depends on the argument.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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Actually that is not a high number, over 3 million people are born every day. The chances of many of them having the same name is pretty easy.
But not the who same last name, same last 4 digits of SS#, and the same DOB..

try again
 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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But not the who same last name, same last 4 digits of SS#, and the same DOB..

try again
Actually that too happens more than you think, probably a couple people a day match that.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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First we will note you excluded my example of how we would do it.
That's because it was irrelevant to your admission that you simply didn't understand the arguments.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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Actually that too happens more than you think, probably a couple hundred a day match that.

Always have an excuse right ? Stop being in denial your whole life...
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