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Old 04-04-2014, 06:34 AM
 
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First of all, the notion that half of America is paying "zero" is an out right falsehood that has been analyzed to death on this forum. The graph you just posted even exposes that.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:35 AM
 
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You do know many on the left make huge donations.

Spend some time looking at Sores.
I'd rather take all private money out of campaigns...but if it's going to stay, I'd tax everyone who makes donations, left or right.

For some reason you neo-cons always think us liberals want to exempt people like Soros. We don't.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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Kind of a theoretical question that must be asked in lieu of the Supreme Court's decision earlier this week. If the rich have so much money to give that they needed the high court to allow them to give even more money to political campaigns, they should be able to afford to pay higher taxes, right?

You should be happy, as most of the influence peddlers and PACs donate to liberal, rather than conservative politicians.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...races/3495983/

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...-brothers.html

phttp://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/11/liberal_super-pacs_spent_twice_as_much_this_year_as_conservative _super-pacs.html

Liberals have promoted this fallacy that somehow conservatives benefit more from political donations than liberals. This, of course, is absolutely false. This is how Tom Harkin and Harry Reid have become multi-millionaires while being Senators. You can "distribute" PAC money as you want, but cannot keep campaign contributions- thus the line of corruption.

I personally am opposed to PACs, lobbyists, and special interest groups "donating" to politicians (i.e. bribing them). Witness the recent PA politicians who were caught accepting money (and not prosecuted) to oppose voter ID initiatives.

What should we do to return the power to the people?

1. Make lobbying illegal
2. Make PACs illegal
3. Repeal the 17th Amendment
4. term limits

Of course, most liberals oppose the above, as they are as corrupt as a week old corpse in the high sun.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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I'd rather take all private money out of campaigns...but if it's going to stay, I'd tax everyone who makes donations, left or right.

For some reason you neo-cons always think us liberals want to exempt people like Soros. We don't.
Good to know....it was hard to tell from your posts.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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Why would anyone be asked to pay more in tax and be happy when most of that money is wasted by legal and illegal corruption, fraud and abuse. When the govet gets a handle on fraud and uses the money efficiently then maybe we can revisit taxation.

the tax code was overseen by the ways and means committee, formery headed by charlie rangel. Don't like tax breaks and rates for certain people, talk to Democrat Charlie.
Just like any business, except for the government, a budget is created and money dedicated to specific expenditures. Money is not shifted frm bucket to bucket except in the government where 'dedicated' funds are simply financial rhetoric and end up in the general fund.
Taxation is the only source of income for the government and it makes no difference if the money is received via donation or taxation.....both subject to abuse.

Every year Tom Coburn produces a list of waste and not a finger is lifted to address it. Apparently it is more effective to contribute to a political campaign and select a better represenative than to pay taxes to a government who is tolerant of colossal waste, makes no effort to adress the tax code and bears no embarassment in asking for more tax.






Dr. Coburn Releases New Report on Wasteful Government Spending in 2011: "Wastebook 2011" - Press Releases - Tom Coburn, M.D., United States Senator from Oklahoma


Sen. Coburn slams $30 billion in wasteful spending

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ment-expenses/
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:38 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There is a lot of lefties that would not like that.
Union members would not like that. Here's Open Secrets' "Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014" list:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

As identified by Mercatus, the top 25 Heavy Hitters includes 14 different union groups. It's also interesting to note that only 3 of Open Secrets' top 25 groups leans Republican.




Top 25 Political Donations from 1989 to 2014 | Mercatus


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Old 04-04-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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First of all, the notion that half of America is paying "zero" is an out right falsehood that has been analyzed to death on this forum. The graph you just posted even exposes that.
Person A pays $10,000, Person B pays $0..

The average on a graph would show $5,000 but that doesnt mean 1/2 didnt pay
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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I'd rather take all private money out of campaigns...but if it's going to stay, I'd tax everyone who makes donations, left or right.

For some reason you neo-cons always think us liberals want to exempt people like Soros. We don't.
So you dont think people should be allowed to spend their money how they want?

Do you have a problem with unions? After all they spend huge amounts of money donating to campaigns..
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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1. Make lobbying illegal
2. Make PACs illegal
3. Repeal the 17th Amendment
4. term limits

Of course, most liberals oppose the above, as they are as corrupt as a week old corpse in the high sun.
I'd be fine with all of that, except for repealing the 17th (that doesn't have anything to do with political donations at all and would remove power from the people) and most everyday liberals would be too.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:42 AM
 
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I'd be fine with all of that, except for repealing the 17th (that doesn't have anything to do with political donations at all and would remove power from the people) and most everyday liberals would be too.
The power isnt supposed to belong to the people to govern, the power is supposed to be balanced equally, thats why the 3 branches of government, and the 3 levels, i.e. federal, state, and individual.

Thats also why the Constitution was written to limit the federal government
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