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Old 04-04-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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Except it didn't work that way at all and you know it. Do you understand why the 17th Amendment was enacted? Do you care?
Doesnt matter at all if it didnt work ideally.. Removing the states voice completely from the federal government doesnt mean the states have more of a voice..

You do understand this, right?
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:52 AM
 
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LOL...I will burn my money before giving it to the government.
no need to go through such extremes.. Just convert your income into wealth, and avoid the taxes all together.. Then you'll see left wing pigs squeeling like there is no tomorrow demanding they raise the rates that you dont even pay..

Look at Warren Buffet for example, and the lefties non stop babble about his claim to want to pay more taxes..

Its histerical how stupid they are.
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:54 AM
 
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no need to go through such extremes.. Just convert your income into wealth, and avoid the taxes all together.. Then you'll see left wing pigs squeeling like there is no tomorrow demanding they raise the rates that you dont even pay..

Look at Warren Buffet for example, and the lefties non stop babble about his claim to want to pay more taxes..

Its histerical how stupid they are.
That is what I have done.

Other than what I need for in my business account...I pulled everything out of banks and investments.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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Doesnt matter at all if it didnt work ideally.. Removing the states voice completely from the federal government doesnt mean the states have more of a voice..

You do understand this, right?
Your definition of "the state" removes the people from the equation. Very pro-corporatist and anti-democratic.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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I AM talking about effective tax rates.

Here's the IRS's latest published average effective federal income tax rates by income group:

Top 1%: 23.5%

Top 1-5%: 17.7%

Top 5-10%: 12.8%

Top 10-25%: 9.7%

Top 25-50%: 7%

Bottom 50%: 3.13%

Latest IRS Federal Income Tax Data
http://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats...omplete-Report)

Where are you getting your false information? And why are you ignorant of the actual facts?
Is that just income or counting capital gains? Most rich people make their money income from stocks which has a lower rate (20%) than for someone like me who has their income from a salary and taxed more.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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Your definition of "the state" removes the people from the equation. Very pro-corporatist and anti-democratic.
Now you're either babbling, or you are really ill informed..

The people were always into the equation, they voted for the House, and the State governments who sent people to the Senate..

p.s. we're not a Democracy, we're a Representative Republic.. please stop embarassing yourself.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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Not as much as you'd often think.

Still, can any of you actually answer the question in my OP?
I say no. They can do whatever they want with their money.

It is their money but liberals always believe that those who have more should give more because those that don't have any should get some by default.

Take your socialist bent to DU.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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Not as much as you'd often think.

Still, can any of you actually answer the question in my OP?
How much is irrelevant... they do pay more...
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Saying that those earn more do so because they "work harder" is an unfounded claim, especially since 6 out of ten on the Fortune 400 got their through inherited wealth.

Yeah, they worked hard winning the sperm lottery.
Really? Is that why the number of millionaires increased so much during the dot-com and real estate booms?
Man that would be an awful lot of millionaires dropping dead and leaving their money to their kids at once.

But I'm not talking about just "the rich" anyways.

If I start at an entry level position and work hard, improve my skills and get promoted to higher paying positions over time, my tax rate still goes up long before I make enough to be considered "rich" by any standard.

And yes, people do still advance their careers and get ahead this way.... Despite what the Left may tell you.

But it would be much easier if their wasn't so much of their efforts going to waste due to "the more you make, the more they take".
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Is that just income or counting capital gains?
All taxable income is included in the average effective federal income tax rate data: earned income, unearned income (e.g. propery income, pensions), short-term capital gains, long-term capital gains, etc.

For example, Schedule D, which one files with their annual tax return, is where one reports their realized capital gains or losses. That information is then factored into one's federal income tax liability.
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