We should celebrate when corporations .... (Congress, illegal, holidays, Obama)

[petch751]

Originally Posted by katzpaw View Post
Who says corporations "are bad so should be taxed more" or are "awful, greedy and bad for the country"?
Well done with your straw man.

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Originally Posted by katzpaw View Post
I don't blame "lazy Americans" but blame corporations who expect too much for too little. This is the future if righties on this forum get their wish of abolishing the minimum wage and worker protections.

Originally Posted by pghquest

isnt that what you said?

They can't keep it straight.

[petch751]

Originally Posted by Count_Dracula

You just don't get it. Corporation can move wherever they want and American workers can't really compete with 3rd world country workers. What I can't understand is why these overseas companies can still sell in the us withouth paying import tariffs for the goods they produce in foreign countries???

I do get it, you want them charged a tax no matter where they are located. Since they are not charged import tariffs stop buying their product.

[Michigantown]

What about the tax dodging corporation that use island counties to pay no taxes

[petch751]

Originally Posted by Michigantown

What about the tax dodging corporation that use island counties to pay no taxes

Then no problem when they leave the country.

[Michigantown]

Originally Posted by petch751

Then no problem when they leave the country.

Except they don't leave the country

[kidkaos2]

Originally Posted by Michigantown

What about the tax dodging corporation that use island counties to pay no taxes

What about them? They didn't make the tax laws. Government did.

Let's say I will either sell you a hamburger for $2 or a hamburger for $4. What's the difference between them, you ask? Nothing. They're the same, but one is $2 and the other is twice as much. Your choice which you pay. Are you going to pay the $4? Of course not.

But that's exactly what idiot liberals expect companies to do. If companies actually follow the law to pay as little as they can, then liberals condemn them as greedy. If you don't want companies to ship jobs overseas, then don't make it cost more to do business here than overseas. If you don't want companies to park their money overseas to avoid the taxes here, then don't make the tax laws favor parking money overseas.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by petch751

Think about it, they claim that overseas they can hire cheaper labor and taxes are lower. They could then pass on the savings to the American people.

I've never heard any corporation say any such thing.

Originally Posted by Count_Dracula

Agreed. Nobody ever said corporations are bad in general.

I did.

Originally Posted by Count_Dracula

For those corporation that close factories and send jobs overseas I only wish they would have to pay import tariffs like in good old days before all this globalist nonsense. If you produce overseas you're no longer an American company and shouldn't be treated as such. "Buy American" means buy "made in America" not China.

Wow.....were you born short-sighted, or did you have Lasik surgery to get that way?

I hope you're sitting down, because this might come as a total shock to you, but the world does not revolve around America.

If you didn't get the memo -- and apparently you didn't -- the world stopped revolving around America quite a while ago.

There are 317 Million Americans, but there are 6.6 Billion people on the Earth.

If the numbers are too much for your head, then America is 4.5% of World Population.

If you still don't get it, then know that the Chinese Middle Class is larger than your entire freaking population.....and so is the Indian Middle Class.....and about 60 years from now the Middle Class in sub-Saharan Africa will be larger than your population.

I'm reluctant to have to resort to 4th Grade Math, but I'll give it a shot.

Made in USA: $29 is the sale price; $24 is the total cost of the item being sold.

$29 - $24 = $5....that's the gross profit.

Not Made in US: $6 is the sale price; $1 is the total cost of the item being sold.

$6 - $1 = $5...that's the gross profit.

Get it?

$5 = $5

$5 * 317 Million Americans = $1.58 Billion

$5 * 6.6 Billion Non-Americans = $33 Billion

See that?

The name of the game is to sell to the entire World, not to a teeny tiny measly 317 Million weakling people who can't put their iPhone down for even 3 seconds.

I can manufacture in Vietnam or Mexico and sell to the world --- I don't need Americans to buy my stuff to be successful. I don't even need America at all.

With my profits, I can buy up stocks in American corporations, and once I get 51% of the stock, I am the majority share-holder, I call a vote ---- my right as majority share-holder -- and I vote to cease operations, close all facilities and put all the employees out of work.

B-b-b-b-but if Americans don't have jobs, they can't buy your stuff.

Um, I don't need Americans to buy my stuff.....I already proved that mathematically --- it is irrefutable.

Wow....you people really are totally clueless. Well, I suppose I have only myself to blame.

If you go protectionist and don't buy globally.....America loses, the World wins.
If you slap tariffs on imports.....America loses, the world wins.
If America becomes a destitute poverty-ridden 2nd World State.....America loses, the World wins.

There is no possible set of circumstances under which the US can win. Every possible scenario ends the same...America loses, the World wins.

You could play for a stalemate, but you ain't that smart, so the best case scenario is a draw. Risk it all....and you'll lose.

Just remember the only worse than being irrelevant, is being a liability.....yeah, that's right...you can live longer if you're irrelevant.

You are the new Ottoman Empire.

Enjoy your Tanzimat Reforms.....

Mircea

[kidkaos2]

Originally Posted by petch751

People complain about corporations sending jobs overseas but then they insist they are bad so should be taxed more. Since corporations are so awful, greedy and bad for the country, we should be celebrating when they decide to close their plants here and move overseas?

Yep.

Democrat: We want to set up new environmental regulations. We want to reduce domestic energy production. We want to raise capital gains taxes. We want to raise minimum wage. We want to expand the power of unions. We want to mandate new healthcare plans. Hey, wait a minute! Why are you outsourcing jobs?!? You evil greedy corporations!!!! Come back here!!!

[dreamofmonterey]

Originally Posted by petch751

People complain about corporations sending jobs overseas but then they insist they are bad so should be taxed more. Since corporations are so awful, greedy and bad for the country, we should be celebrating when they decide to close their plants here and move overseas?

wow.
How old are you, or are you just a Monsanto shill?

:/bizarre

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by Mircea

I've never heard any corporation say any such thing.



I did.



Wow.....were you born short-sighted, or did you have Lasik surgery to get that way?

I hope you're sitting down, because this might come as a total shock to you, but the world does not revolve around America.
.......
If you go protectionist and don't buy globally.....America loses, the World wins.
If you slap tariffs on imports.....America loses, the world wins.
If America becomes a destitute poverty-ridden 2nd World State.....America loses, the World wins.

There is no possible set of circumstances under which the US can win. Every possible scenario ends the same...America loses, the World wins.
....
Mircea

Nah, the U.S. is about 1/3 of the global consumer market, and since we have a huge trade deficit people would still have to trade with us. If the E.U cut off trade with us, for example, they would be at a net loss of about $120B per year.

So, no offense, but I don't think your little explanation about the U.S. being only 5% of the worlds population is really as relevant as the fact that U.S. accounts for nearly a third of the world's consumption, much of which we buy from overseas.

Also, you stated that if we go protectionist and don't buy globally, we lose. But nothing you wrote explained why that would be. If we put a 5% tariff on all imported goods, corporations would still try to sell here. They just wouldn't be able to sell as much. On the other hand, we aren't selling much to anyone else anyway, so it wouldn't be that big of a loss.

There are arguments on why a tariff would slow development, but you didn't make those arguments and I'm not sure more level development might be preferable anyway.

That's my opinion anyway.