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Old 12-10-2014, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by 3~Shepherds View Post
Are you aware of all the droning going on? No intelligence can be gathered. President Obama is just killing, no prisoners are being taken. Many innocent people are being killed, yet the media is silent.
If Obama and his team are committing war crimes, they should be prosecuted. The only clear one I see happening is violating our treaty obligations by not prosecuting torturers.

I'd prefer that we withdraw from all our foreign entanglements; short of that, I'd prefer ending or substantially limiting drone strikes. But unless you are claiming that Obama is intentionally targeting noncombatants, you'll have little for any human rights investigator to look at.
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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We have to be careful to remain civilized and not turn into savages.
Waterboarding 4 animals doesn't make us savages.
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:27 PM
 
Location: WY
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Waterboarding 4 animals doesn't make us savages.
No. It doesn't. And you know what? We can wring our hands all day long, and at the end of the day I don't give two sh*ts that REAL savages didn't sleep for a week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9QN3AkydYY
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:28 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Republican torture-supporters make things up because they can't cope with the real arguments against the scum Bush's use of torture.

But since you asked, if it was up to me they would have been tried and either convicted or released. Wacky, I know.
You are okay then with Obama's use of summary execution, without due process, by drone or Seal Team 6?
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:29 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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No. It doesn't. And you know what? We can wring our hands all day long, and at the end of the day I don't give two sh*ts that REAL savages didn't sleep for a week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9QN3AkydYY
I'm with you man. Never forget. We are fighting a very long war, whether some of us want to believe it or not.
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I'm with you man. Never forget. We are fighting a very long war, whether some of us want to believe it or not.
Whatever your "side" is, I'm not on it.
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:19 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That's evidence that Bush used it, not that he took it seriously.

I've already stated that Clinton is a disgusting liar and his impunity in the Iraq matter is wrong and embarrassing. I'm not sure how much further we can go with the "Bush was a dupe" claim in the teeth of the Bush team's own proven record of misrepresenting intelligence, and purveying Iraq-9/11 conspiracy innuendo.
Not so much that Bush was a dupe. Is there a reason he should have known that Dem presidents can't be trusted? Look at how many times Obama has lied, though. So, there does seem to be a pattern.
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So the Democrats are to blame for the Bush/Cheney torture chambers?
Again, as I've already posted and provided links, the torture was initiated by Clinton/Gore, continued by Bush/Cheney, and is still utilized by Obama/Biden. Seems the Dems have more to answer for than do Bush/Cheney. Why do you give them a pass?
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:27 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Who claimed that Saddam had WMD?
Clinton.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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That doesn't make much of a difference, legally. It is illegal to torture anyone, in any circumstances.

Yes, a duly constituted war crimes court should convict and hang everyone involved in that disgrace, including Bush and Cheney.
Actually, what I think they should really be on trial for is military retribution against civilians. See Fallujah.
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