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Yeah keep telling everybody Repubs had something to do with this disaster. It was a Democrat Bill rammed through by Pulosi and Reid.
How many Repubs voted for ACA ? None. This was not a compromise. Even the majority of the US has never wanted this Bill.
Credit and blame goes squarely on the backs of Democrats. Many are now running away from the Bill.
Do you think calling it a "disaster" will make it a disaster? It doesn`t really work that way in the real world. Perhaps a oxy-laden talk show host thinks it works that way but he too will be disappointed.
Why don't you complain about those? And why aren't your clamoring for the real solution to too little oversight, i.e., more funding so that oversight can be enhanced, instead of clamoring for lower taxes, undercutting not only the ability to perform oversight but also undercutting the ability to perform the function that is being overseen (in this case)?
I think right-wingers who bloviate about oversight are just blowing smoke - they really don't care about doing anything about the abuse but are just looking for an angle to defend their true desire, to rip holes in society's social safety net, because it costs tax money that they'd rather have for their own comfort and luxury.
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Do you think calling it a "disaster" will make it a disaster?
But it sure makes right-wing sycophants think it is, and emboldens their intention to promulgate their antisocial claptrap and craft a more callous society.
Why don't you complain about those? And why aren't your clamoring for the real solution to too little oversight, i.e., more funding so that oversight can be enhanced, instead of clamoring for lower taxes, undercutting not only the ability to perform oversight but also undercutting the ability to perform the function that is being overseen (in this case)?
I think right-wingers who bloviate about oversight are just blowing smoke - they really don't care about doing anything about the abuse but are just looking for an angle to defend their true desire, to rip holes in society's social safety net, because it costs tax money that they'd rather have for their own comfort and luxury.
But it sure makes right-wing sycophants think it is, and emboldens their intention to promulgate their antisocial claptrap and craft a more callous society.
I know it is hard for a lib like you to keep on tract.
We, me and the poster I am TALKING with are talking about FOOD STAMPS. NOT any OTHER program.
We, me and the poster I am TALKING with are talking about FOOD STAMPS. NOT any OTHER program.
And I pointed out how what you were talking about was only a symptom of a much larger problem, which you were trying to ignore (because it exposes the lack of merit in your advocacy) and now clearly trying to deny.
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Nice try to deflect.
Nope - not deflecting at all. Rather coldly and clearly holding your comments accountable to all the reasonable ramifications of them - not letting you get away with any evasions or other dodges of the moral repudiation of the perspective you're trying to support.
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A FAIL, but nice try anyway.
That appraisal, coming from you, means nothing. No, that's not true. Coming from you, the fact that you felt so embarrassed that you had to inject such a pointlessly self-serving bit of nonsense, indicates that you know that your argument doesn't hold water, and you're trying whatever you can to hide that fact.
We are asking companies to bear the burden of the minimum wage increase the same time they are having to abide by the Obozocare mandates. You liberals and Democrats have no concept of business or economics. Your idea is as long as businesses can barely survive its good enough and on with the socialist march. My grandparents lived in a socialist country and I am descended from LEGAL immigrants. I am certainly not falling for your socialist lies.
We want businesses to thrive here in America, not just eke out survival.
So let the owner take a pay cut..
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Limit immigration to 250.000 a year and deport the illegals and secure the border...
You like 3rd world collectivist nations? Fine go live in one...
You think countries with min wage higher than the US are third world eh? Australia,Most of Europe. Etc. Not third world.
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It affects everyone. The minimum wage worker gets the $10, rightfully the guy making $10 because he has more experience and is more valuable to the company wants $13, the guy making $13 wants $16, etc. Those increases will be reflected in the price of the product and the minimum wage worker is back to square one.
If you want to get ahead the only way to do that is increase the value of your labor.
And the owner would have to cut into his multi million dollar salary as well. THE HORROR! Especially since most LARGE companies pay NO TAXES. At least federal.
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So when Republicans won't compromise with Democrats then they are the Party of No and obstructionists. But when Democrats won't compromise with Republicans, that's a great thing and they should just force their way through.
Oh, and you seem to have forgotten, but the healthcare law received 0 Republican votes. So there was no compromise there.
And the problem with single payer isn't Republicans. It's the constitution. Any power which is not expressly granted to the federal government is reserved to the states and the people. The power to run a national healthcare system is not granted to the federal government, therefore it is unconstitutional. I realize you liberals don't care about the following the law unless you like the law, but you only got Obamacare through the Courts by a single vote. You never would have gotten single payer.
The republicans insist on holding the country hostage to their rich backers. We the 99% of sick and tired of it.
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You act as if there are NO rich dem backers! Take off the blinders.
Oh I know they do,but EVERY republican hates the poor not every democrat does.
And I pointed out how what you were talking about was only a symptom of a much larger problem, which you were trying to ignore (because it exposes the lack of merit in your advocacy) and now clearly trying to deny.
Nope - not deflecting at all. Rather coldly and clearly holding your comments accountable to all the reasonable ramifications of them - not letting you get away with any evasions or other dodges of the moral repudiation of the perspective you're trying to support.
That appraisal, coming from you, means nothing. No, that's not true. Coming from you, the fact that you felt so embarrassed that you had to inject such a pointlessly self-serving bit of nonsense, indicates that you know that your argument doesn't hold water, and you're trying whatever you can to hide that fact.
Self righteous pompous attitudes are blinders to reality because in your eyes you are morally superior to everyone else and never wrong.
Self righteous pompous attitudes are blinders to reality because in your eyes you are morally superior to everyone else and never wrong.
Actually, moral people are only morally superior to immoral people. If you cannot tell the moral difference between supporting civic responsibility, the ethic of reciprocity, and evaluating society by how it treats its most vulnerable members (as I do) versus supporting elevation of the comfort and luxury of some over the basic needs of others (as you often do), then there's not much hope in helping you see the nonsensical nature of what you posted.
I am just curious. For those that don't want a min wage hike or even a min wage law period. Do you think its OK for 6 walton's ya know the ones that own Wal Mart to be worth more than the lower 40% of Americans? Their workers need food stamps and medicaid to get by yet they are raking in cash and living the high life from something their grandfather/father did.
"Defendants must be trusted and expected to act in accordance with the U.S. Constitution when they intentionally target a U.S. citizen abroad at the direction of the president and with the concurrence of Congress," said Collyer. "They cannot be held personally responsible in monetary damages for conducting war." The lawsuit sought unspecified damages.
Murdering innocent civilians is now war according to this idiot judge...I just love how they make it up as they go along. You better believe you better follow the law or get tossed in jail but not so when you are in power.
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It was a Democrat Bill rammed through by Pulosi and Reid.
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